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Abortion ref - am I the only one who doesn't care?

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  • #92
    Mutant z
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Mutant z


    seachto7 wrote: »
    A Pint of Goo wrote: »
    Froshtbit wrote: »
    It's kind of a big deal for everybody. I dont partake in conversations related to it at work or on facebook but you know, it' understandable why people are talking about it.

    I get that's a big deal for a lot of people, but there's surely plenty of people like me who don't give a ****?

    Well you should give a f**k. It might have an impact on a friend or relation down the line.
    Me me me me me me ,
    Exactly it never ceases to amaze me how some people could be so ignorant when it could affect one of their own family members down the line its hugely important to go out there and cast your vote at least you could make a difference rather than sitting around not caring.


  • #93
    Squatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Squatter


    NickNickleby wrote: »

    I may even consider spoiling my vote. But the total poll will still reflect that I took part.

    That's the way I'm leaning too. There are far too many nasties on both sides of the debate for me to feel comfortable supporting either faction. Even on this thread there's been quite a lot of patronising talking down to the OP for daring not to care.

    Furthermore, given the growing number of pond lives (both Right and Left Wing) and populist chancers that are being elected/appointed to both houses of the Oireachtas, I'm more than a little sceptical of their ability to make good laws, should the repealers win the day.


  • #94
    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Depends on their fan-base, example the Healy-Raes will never be 'struggling' with their beliefs.

    I can respect people who maintain their genuinely held beliefs.
    I can respect people who change their beliefs, legitimately, after careful consideration.

    But backflips for votes is not a policy that should be supported.

    I'm probably being a bit naive, now. We are talking about politicians. What the hell are we meant to expect.


  • #95
    taserfrank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 52 ✭✭taserfrank


    I won't be bothered voting- I couldn't give a damn about this referendum, even though it would have been funny to see the meltdown of the left if they lost!


  • #96
    smokingman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭smokingman


    Have a read of the "In her shoes" Facebook group and then ask yourself if you don't care.
    It's barbaric what's happening and we need to start treating our ladies better as a society.


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  • #97
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Squatter wrote:
    That's the way I'm leaning too. There are far too many nasties on both sides of the debate for me to feel comfortable supporting either faction. Even on this thread there's been quite a lot of patronising talking down to the OP for daring not to care.


    How about look at the referendum in isolation and ignore the gobsh*tes on both sides. Then make your decision.


  • #98
    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    taserfrank wrote: »
    I won't be bothered voting- I couldn't give a damn about this referendum, even though it would have been funny to see the meltdown of the left if they lost!

    If it doesn't pass this time, there is likely to be another referendum next year. The illusion of choice and all that.


  • #99
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Pat Mustard wrote: »
    If it doesn't pass this time, there is likely to be another referendum next year. The illusion of choice and all that.

    It will definitely pass like despite the people who want to bring in a UK style system the referendum is about the 8th, like i regularly argue with the more hard core pro-choice posters but will probably vote to repeal (not sure if I am in country) as the 8th isn't appropriate or even functional.


  • #100
    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    I think that it will pass eventually but I don't see how you can be so sure that it will pass on the first go. Maybe it won't.


  • #101
    indy_man
    Registered Users Posts: 373 ✭✭indy_man


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  • #102
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    I wish I could not care but I've been personally affected by the 8th and will continue to do so until menopause. It's continued existence affects every woman I love. It's too important not to care.


  • #103
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    indy_man wrote: »
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    The mental gymnastics required for the no side to come out with this are quite something. I smell desperation.


  • #104
    Red_Wake
    Registered Users Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭Red_Wake


    Pat Mustard wrote: »
    Red_Wake wrote: »
    I'm not too pushed about the referendum. If I was in politics, I'd only be using it as a bargaining chip to entice a party with strong views on the issue into coalition, in exchange for unquestioningly following my vision. It'd be a bargaining chip and nothing more.

    Somewhat like the prominent Irish politicians who were pro-life, who then "struggled with their beliefs" are now pro-choice.

    Q: what changed?
    A: the wind.
    You mistake me entirely. I would not mention it all, to me it would be a non-issue. It would only be a way to entice a political partner who might otherwise turn up their nose at my beliefs.


  • #105
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,816 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Flying Fox wrote: »
    The mental gymnastics required for the no side to come out with this are quite something. I smell desperation.
    It's the John Mc guirk way... Fling as much rubbish as you possibly can and hope something sticks.

    I am gay and I will be voting for repeal (as will vast majority of gay people I know)


  • #106
    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    Red_Wake wrote: »
    You mistake me entirely. I would not mention it all, to me it would be a non-issue. It would only be a way to entice a political partner who might otherwise turn up their nose at my beliefs.

    I wasn't criticizing you, if it came across that way.


  • #107
    Squatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Squatter


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    How about look at the referendum in isolation and ignore the gobsh*tes on both sides. Then make your decision.

    I addressed that bit in the paragraph of my post that you forgot to quote.


  • #108
    optogirl
    Registered Users Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭optogirl


    taserfrank wrote: »
    I won't be bothered voting- I couldn't give a damn about this referendum, even though it would have been funny to see the meltdown of the left if they lost!

    hilarious stuff alright. Hope it stays fine for you & yours and you are never faced with any of the myriad situations that the 8th makes even more difficult.


  • #109
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,720 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    I have a few friends on facebook who are into the repeal or keep campaign.

    'Unfollow' is a great feature.


  • #110
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    A Pint of Goo wrote: »
    The result is not important to me.

    Until a point in the future when it becomes important to you.


    But sure maybe you'll get lucky and whichever woman in your life is suffering will keep it to herself and deal with it alone without annoying you about it.......


  • #111
    DellyBelly
    Registered Users Posts: 2,846 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    Have to say I feel the same way you do OP. Really don' care. I will vote but not sure which way. Leaning towards No but will see closer to the date.


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  • #112
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,720 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    The guilt-trips about hypothetical situations are coming on hot and heavy....


  • #113
    Red_Wake
    Registered Users Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭Red_Wake


    Pat Mustard wrote: »
    Red_Wake wrote: »
    You mistake me entirely. I would not mention it all, to me it would be a non-issue. It would only be a way to entice a political partner who might otherwise turn up their nose at my beliefs.

    I wasn't criticizing you, if it came across that way.
    I understand it wasn't criticism.I just wanted to make it clear I would never express a view on it in public.


  • #114
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,816 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    The guilt-trips about hypothetical situations are coming on hot and heavy....
    Have a read of the in her shoes page on facebook....these are not "hypothetical situations"


  • #115
    LirW
    Registered Users Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭LirW


    Don't really care because I can't vote. Coming from a country with abortion permitted up to 12 weeks in place already and seeing that this doesn't cause the end of society as we know it I don't really see how this topic can be chewed into oblivion.
    I realised people just like to argue. Once that's over there will be another thing coming up to split the country and have them verbally bash each other until a referendum comes up.


  • #116
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    OP is not alone. Plenty of people in Ireland lack empathy, imagination, or both.

    But when something directly affects them, they'll make sure we all have to care about it.


  • #117
    LirW
    Registered Users Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭LirW


    gmisk wrote: »
    Have a read of the in her shoes page on facebook....these are not "hypothetical situations"

    FAKE NEWS!!!!"L!"J!"I"


  • #118
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Abortion is a medical procedure that women can go abroad to access without legal repercussions.

    Assuming they have the cash.

    and aren't already in hospital here and its too late.

    or they are in prison.

    or otherwise in the care of the state.

    or in Direct provision.

    or in an abusive relationship.

    or...


  • #119
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    indy_man wrote: »
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    Cheeky sods!


  • #120
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Pat Mustard wrote: »
    If it doesn't pass this time, there is likely to be another referendum next year. The illusion of choice and all that.

    No, this is not Lisbon or Nice where we can get a quick clarification or protocol and then pass it.

    We'll have to wait a few years for more No voters to die off, I'd say 5 at least. There will probably be another headline death/scandal in that timeframe to kick up headlines, or perhaps the AG will be forced to get off his arse and jail some teen for buying abortion pills online.


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  • #121
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Squatter wrote:
    I addressed that bit in the paragraph of my post that you forgot to quote.


    You didn't actually you went off on a tangent about pond life. The referendum affects women's health. Nothing more nothing less.


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