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04-03-2016, 12:38   #106
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It's the transparency issue. If they came out and said this is a commercial venture people would think it either good or bad value. It's the hiding behind a charity that irks people I think. IMO 30 euro for a 10k in Dublin with closed roads etc is not the biggest rip off I have heard of in fact it's not bad value compared to some. I don't like this hood winking on the back of a charity tho.
I don't see them hiding behind a charity. It's all there in their advertisement. Gives people a choice to participate or not. It creates awareness for the charity. That is even better than one off donations. So it's a little more expensive than other races. So what. That's life, and is evident in all walks of life. Dissing them for this is baffling. Maybe after doing the race people will see and possibly appreciate where their 30 euro went. Pi^^ing all over the event before it's staged is a wrong.

Edit: Just noticed that the 30 euro fee wasn't an issue for you.

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I don't see them hiding behind a charity. It's all there in their advertisement. Gives people a choice to participate or not. It creates awareness for the charity. That is even better than one off donations. So it's a little more expensive than other races. So what. That's life, and is evident in all walks of life. Dissing them for this is baffling. Maybe after doing the race people will see and possibly appreciate where their 30 euro went. Pi^^ing all over the event before it's staged is a wrong.

Edit: Just noticed that the 30 euro fee wasn't an issue for you.
The cynic in me would think that Virgin Media arranged this advertisement to come out just as your 3 month ban expired.
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What is the main source of posters' ire here? A measly 30 euro to do a 10 k run that will help out a fantastic charity, or the fact that the run has gotten top billing on the AR forum?

As you know, I am a 5k specialist, but this is one race I might just stretch the legs a bit more for. Win win!

But the 30 euro doesn't help out the charity as none of it goes to the charity.
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But the 30 euro doesn't help out the charity as none of it goes to the charity.
+1. Very few people will donate to the charity as most will think their €30 is already going to the charity. That is the nuts and bolts of the problem right there.
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I'll bow out of this one. I happen to think this race is a very good event, or at least the intent behind it is. This view is sincere and genuine, and the chariity is one that I truly admire, and one I have donated to several time. One poster wishing a perma ban on me for not seeing his side of things is the worrying aspect on this forum. Unfortunately the guy is not alone.
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But the 30 euro doesn't help out the charity as none of it goes to the charity.
Hi, the 30 euro is the fee to stage the race, or part of it. That is something that is as it is. It's a fee. The real key is the awareness that this event will likely generate for a truly great cause. I applaud this. I am a glass half full man on this thread.

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Hi, the 30 euro is the fee to stage the race, or part of it. That is something that is as it is. It's a fee. The real key is the awareness that this event will likely generate for a truly great cause. I applaud this. I am a glass half full man on this thread.
Thought you were bowing out?
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Thought you were bowing out?
It's rude to leave without answering or replying to a poster. You, too got a reply to your post. And, if a lady can change her mind, can't a man?
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So how is it helping a great cause by just entering and just running?

No money goes to the Simon community.

Sad thing is that most people will miss this and enter thinking that money will go to the Simon community but virgin media will get their pound of flesh
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Hi, the 30 euro is the fee to stage the race, or part of it. That is something that is as it is. It's a fee. The real key is the awareness that this event will likely generate for a truly great cause. I applaud this. I am a glass half full man on this thread.

But the awarness was false, as it gave the impression it was giving towards a charity. Now they have clarified that and thats great.

But another thing that pissed people off, was the way boards handle it.
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I think that no one would say that Dublin Simon isn't a worthwhile charity or cause. And I think if you walk around Dublin or any city or town in Ireland, you should be aware of homelessness already so the awareness is already there unless you live under a rock.

Most people who do the race will think that some/all of their entrance fee will go to Simon from the way the blurb is written. None of this money is going to Dublin Simon so Virgin Media are getting good PR and CSR out of a charity link up that they don't appear to be giving any money to. Yes, their staff are going to fund-raise but that is the staff, not the firm. That is my reading of this thread (I'm missing all the posts remove stuff)

It would be a far better thing if people ran around the route and gave their money to someone sleeping in a doorway to give them a night in a hostel/hot meal/clean clothes. Or just went to Dublin Simon directly and gave them the 30 quid.
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But the awarness was false, as it gave the impression it was giving towards a charity. Now they have clarified that and thats great.

But another thing that pissed people off, was the way boards handle it.
Whatever about the validity of the awareness, the charity was getting awareness. That's the bigger picture. If Virgin Media have committed some 'crime' then they deserve derision. From my understanding of this I think they deserve kudos. That's me. In general I would be quite skeptical of the whole charity crusade, but in this instance I think the event deserves credit and encouragement and patience. Who knows what that goodie bag holds?

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From my understanding of this I think they deserve kudos.
Kudos for what though? They are doing and contributing nothing towards the charity. The cash that has been mentioned is being raised by the staff presumably sponsoring each other, it's not a donation from the company.

They have copied and pasted the charity logo onto their event flier, that is the extent of what the company is doing. Yet they claim that by entering the event you are supporting the charity.
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Kudos for what though? They are doing and contributing nothing towards the charity. The cash that has been mentioned is being raised by the staff presumably sponsoring each other, it's not a donation from the company.

They have copied and pasted the charity logo onto their event flier, that is the extent of what the company is doing. Yet they claim that by entering the event you are supporting the charity.
Well, when people stop fixating on the cash element and open their eyes to the other ways in which charities can benefit from events then it becomes clear. The amount of negativity and moaning on this thread is nauseating. Some of it is bordering on aggression. And, I do welcome questioning anything that doesn't feel right.

You seem to be almost making out that The Simon Community are being used/exploited here. They are part of this, and they are partners. You realise this?
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