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15-05-2021, 14:11   #361
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This show isn't exactly covering itself in glory I'm afraid.

She made a fine job on Liveline then.
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I thought yesterday's Two Trots and a Junior Minister show was one of the worst ever and that is saying something. Brid Smith attempting to make political capital out of the HSE ransomware attack shows just how devoid of any constructive thought that woman is. She is a political black hole of negativity. And then Eoin O'Brin and Colm Brophy talking and shouting over each other. It was like listening to two squabbling toddlers in the back of a car.

Katie does a good job on the Late Debate where we have larger panels of serious top level politicians so clearly it is the two Trots and a Junior Minister format of the saturday show that is the problem now. They need to restore some sort of balance on the panels or cancel it.
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I thought yesterday's Two Trots and a Junior Minister show was one of the worst ever and that is saying something. Brid Smith attempting to make political capital out of the HSE ransomware attack shows just how devoid of any constructive thought that woman is. She is a political black hole of negativity. And then Eoin O'Brin and Colm Brophy talking and shouting over each other. It was like listening to two squabbling toddlers in the back of a car.

Katie does a good job on the Late Debate where we have larger panels of serious top level politicians so clearly it is the two Trots and a Junior Minister format of the saturday show that is the problem now. They need to restore some sort of balance on the panels or cancel it.
Beg to disagree, Tee.

Hannon is very poor, for me, she is biased against the Establishment , doesn’t challenge the Trotters, allows them to pump out populist bull, which doesn’t cut the mustard.

Poor diction, stop start delivery, not in control , no presence.

Hard to justify why she is still there, in my opinion.
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Beg to disagree, Tee.

Hannon is very poor, for me, she is biased against the Establishment , doesn’t challenge the Trotters, allows them to pump out populist bull, which doesn’t cut the mustard.

Poor diction, stop start delivery, not in control , no presence.

Hard to justify why she is still there, in my opinion.
no RTE presenter ( since Pat Kenny left ) challenges the left on their guff and blather , place is full of socialists
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16-05-2021, 17:16   #366
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no RTE presenter ( since Pat Kenny left ) challenges the left on their guff and blather , place is full of socialists
I thought they were a MSM “mouthpiece” for FFG, M?
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It's quite irksome when guests are shouting over each other. The same used to happen when Cormac hosted the show.

I think some muting of mics would go a long way.

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It's quite irksome when guests are shouting over each other. The same used to happen when Cormac hosted the show.

I think some muting of mics would go a long way.
Correct and right…. Can I refer again to Today on BBC R4.

They don’t allow this kind of chaos, and regarding timekeeping, anyone who tries to ‘motormouth’ their way through the time constraints is efficiently ‘wound down’
without any platitudes.

The real fault of course is with the presenter and producer who lets this garbage happen and hasn’t the chutzpah to intervene.

Hannon, it seems to me , would rather let the Govt get a shoeing rather than moderate and control the show, as will always happen when it’s 4 against 1.

Can’t understand why RTE management haven’t acted to ensure professional performance in these programmes.
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Correct and right…. Can I refer again to Today on BBC R4.
That's true but Katie Hannon's programme (I think always) has a panel of contributors, which Today or PM never do. Might be fairer to compare Katie Hannon to "Any Questions?". The latter is robust enough but admittedly, the host never has to raise his voice over the contributors.

It must be a BBC rule that they warn contributors not to raise their voices. RTE clearly doesn't impose any such rule, they seem to think it's entertainment.
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That's true but Katie Hannon's programme (I think always) has a panel of contributors, which Today or PM never do. Might be fairer to compare Katie Hannon to "Any Questions?". The latter is robust enough but admittedly, the host never has to raise his voice over the contributors.

It must be a BBC rule that they warn contributors not to raise their voices. RTE clearly doesn't impose any such rule, they seem to think it's entertainment.
Yes you are correct there, in fairness.

In a way it’s the line up which causes the problem, usually four against one.

I’d blame the producer for that and Hannon for constantly allowing the discussion to degenerate into a shouting match which is totally unintelligible .
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I wouldn't blame Katie for the behaviour of her guests (I think she does a great job on the show). The buck stops here with RTE themselves. If people are contacting them to let them know how annoying it is, then they really should act on it.
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All discussion radio has turned into a sort of boxing match, the presenter will say we have diddley dum expert/ commentator/politician and on the other side we have dum diddley expert/ commentator/ politician, now fight it our.

generally, the narrative is right v left, employer v employee, public service v the rest, conservative v liberal and so on.

What annoys me is the pretence it's journalism when clearly it's not, it is entertainment discussed as journalism. I turn off its two commentators politicians fighting it, out but will listen if its an explanation of the issue
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I wouldn't blame Katie for the behaviour of her guests (I think she does a great job on the show). The buck stops here with RTE themselves. If people are contacting them to let them know how annoying it is, then they really should act on it.
I don't think anyone is going to start a letter-writing campaign though. I've heard broadcasters — Claire Byrne comes to mind — address texters' frustrations. They know it's an issue.

Byrne has in the past cut people's mics off for talking over one another. It should happen more often. The disruption tends not go happen with Pat Kenny, it always happened with Sean O'Rourke. It rarely happened with Audrey Carville on Late Debate, it always happened with Cormac O hEadhra on panel programmes.

I generally disagree with the criticism that broadcasters get for what is a production by a whole team of producers and broadcast staff, and indeed management. But this is one area where the responsibility is theirs. Their main task is to facilitate a discussion where guests get their point across. It isn't really the production team's job to manage that.

I like KH as a broadcaster, especially her investigative work, but some broadcasters tolerate a lot more shouting than others.

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I don't think anyone is going to start a letter-writing campaign, I've heard broadcasters — Clairr Byrne especially — address texters' frustrations. She has in the past cut people off for talking over one another. That's rare, though.

I generally disagree with the criticism that broadcasters get for what is a production by a whole team of producers and broadcast staff, and indeed management. But this is one area where the responsibility is theirs. Their main task is to facilitate a discussion where guests get their point across. It isn't really the production team's job to manage that.

I like KH as a broadcaster, especially her investigative work, but some broadcasters tolerate a lot more shouting than others.
However, the recent controversy over the investment company buying the whole estate, I personally do not want to here want Labour or SF think of the matter except in a minor way.

I would like a discussion of genuine non-political experts and property developers discussing the issue and why it has come about and how it can be solved.
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However, the recent controversy over the investment company buying the whole estate, I personally do not want to here want Labour or SF think of the matter except in a minor way.

I would like a discussion of genuine non-political experts and property developers discussing the issue and why it has come about and how it can be solved.
That’s the problem, they always get two sides on and all you get is mud slinging. Getting “experts” on, even ones with opposing views, leads to more discussion and less finger pointing.
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