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Gangland Shootings Cont'd [Mod Note in Post #1 updated 27/01/20

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    #4442
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,588 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    What crime has been committed other than knowing criminals?

    Crime of being a member of a criminal organization....


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    #4443
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,588 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    How's that working out in the States for eliminating serious crimes?

    Here we go again with comparing us to the vastness of the United States..


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    #4444
    White lighting
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭White lighting


    Legalise Coke make it cheaper, Keep better control on what its mixed with for health reasons. Win win for everyone, Goverment make a fortune because of tax on it, Tourist industry would trive with people flocking to the country to use it in peace and nobody would be getting into massive depts bringing down some of the problems people have mental health issues over.


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    #4445
    soiseztomabel
    Registered Users Posts: 401 ✭✭soiseztomabel


    Madouveh wrote: »
    Well known criminal operating out of East Darndale know as 'The Boffer' has been selling dodgy sniff to the notorious Westies gang from the Libertibertdeies in Dublin 8. The Westies had traditionally been aligned to the 'The Lobster' from Donabate. But he got feltched out of it by the Unreal IRA back in 2014 so now they need new allies to keep running the streets near their compound on St. Pearse Bruagha's avenue in Crumblin. So they began getting their yellow bentines and quack candles from the kinahans for the past few years.

    The Kinahans were trying to take over the sniff racket in East Darndale, but The Boffer had other ideas. He decided to make an example of the corner boys in is ends the were trying to barter the Kinahan's sniff to the local junk balls who were getting whacked off their bonce on the stuff. So he started to schnock all the members of the Ali Baba gang who were operating in his theatre of depravity.

    The Monk is aware of the situation is is keeping close tabs on developments from his porn dungeon in Transylvania.

    But be sure of this - it's all about to kick off.


    Because of The Boffer I now have teeth like a piano dentist


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    #4446
    snotboogie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,557 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    It worked in China and it works in Singapore and Malaysia.

    Irish society needs to make a choice between prohibition of cocaine and the abolition of capital punishment.

    The difficulty with successful prohibition is that it requires widespread use of the death penalty.

    The difficulty with the abolition of prohibition is that one must also regulate and legalise the recreational use of cocaine.

    I would prefer that the death penalty be widely used.

    It absolutely has not worked in China. China is the world's largest producer of illegal Fentanyl and is one of the world leaders in meth production. Illegal drugs are widely available in all of the big cities.


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    #4447
    RoosterCogburn
    Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭RoosterCogburn


    Odyssey 2005 wrote: »
    Couldn't agree more, but to call him a child is just looking to heighten emotions from ordinary people. He was as far removed from a child as any of us are.

    Exactly, if the shooting happened after his next birthday they'd be calling him a known gangland figure with links to serious organised crime


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    #4448
    KeepingUp27
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭KeepingUp27


    Lads honestly read back over the last few pages and try tell me this talk of death penalty/legalizing cocaine etc is not 100% bullsh*t!
    Never in the next 100 years are either of those ideas gonna be considered!
    It all falls back to the judicial system where these lads commit crime after crime, walk free for months while the cops build a strong case and then eventually they walk after serving a 2-3 year sentence if even that.
    Emergency law would be the only way to sort this in the short term. Round up any suspects of involvement until cases are built ( no matter how long they take) and then the end product needs to be harsh. 7-10 years for murder is nothing - slap that up to 25-30 years. Involvement in drug organizations - give them a decent sentence depending on level of involvement etc. Bit even for the young 18/19 year old hard men on corners mouthing off, give them more than the usually suspended sentence after suspended sentence!
    There’s PC walking free at the min after being cleared of stabbing a chap 28 times last year. Fair enough the victim had being caught out in his own web of lies but surely that’s not enough to have a serious case like that basically dismissed?


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    #4449
    Nift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭Nift


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    How's that working out in the States for eliminating serious crimes?

    Pretty well in some parts - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City

    As always with America ,(unlike Ireland its a vast, huge infinite megalopolis/continent that can't be compared) it has to be treated as a nation with multiple cultures and societies etc.

    We're a tiny monoculture, which could easily lose the run of itself if soft sentencing and policing continues. No point having a SWAT team take down the gangs ala o reillys latest photo if it takes 50 minutes to reply to a serious assault like happened in the canal or the complete lack of visible policing in the city, and the country.

    Obviously in this thread it focuses on the big events. But what happens at the top effects the bottom. When the guys at the top get squeezed, so does the middle who puts pressure on low level scumbags etc who rob civilians and shops etc. With the Freddie Thompson thing, supposedly there was a huge spike in robberies around Thomas Street etc. Its all connected. The attacks around the canal were reportedly about tying up resources and keeping people out of areas etc.

    Its naive to think Ireland couldn't end up being a narco state a long way down the tracks. No prisons, no visible policing, no deterrents, a legal gravy train, high welfare, middle class being squeezed perhaps leading to less wealth or birth rates long term. I suppose the only thing keeping it in check is our social safety nets, which don't exist in America which leads to huge violent crime and thus a legal backlash that doesn't work, but probably keeps it safer than it would be otherwise.


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    #4450
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,144 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    If cocaine were legalised the social consequences could be extraordinary. Or maybe there would be no disaster.

    The alternatives are legalisation of cocaine and reintroduction of the death penalty (and some innocent people will be executed).

    The acceptable number of innocent people executed by the state is 0.


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    #4451
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    The acceptable number of innocent people executed by the state is 0.

    That's very trite. The alternativea are the legalisation and regulation of cocaine or else spiralling lawlessness and an eventual narco state.


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    #4452
    Hodors Appletart
    Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    Do people advocating the death penalty know how utterly stupid they sound? Are you also supporters of an Irish form of Brexit, because that's what it would take, the EU doesn't allow members to have a death sentence.

    Engage the brains a bit lads.


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    #4453
    ballsdeep69
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭ballsdeep69


    KeepingUp27 wrote: »
    Lads honestly read back over the last few pages and try tell me this talk of death penalty/legalizing cocaine etc is not 100% bullsh*t!
    Never in the next 100 years are either of those ideas gonna be considered!
    It all falls back to the judicial system where these lads commit crime after crime, walk free for months while the cops build a strong case and then eventually they walk after serving a 2-3 year sentence if even that.
    Emergency law would be the only way to sort this in the short term. Round up any suspects of involvement until cases are built ( no matter how long they take) and then the end product needs to be harsh. 7-10 years for murder is nothing - slap that up to 25-30 years. Involvement in drug organizations - give them a decent sentence depending on level of involvement etc. Bit even for the young 18/19 year old hard men on corners mouthing off, give them more than the usually suspended sentence after suspended sentence!
    There’s PC walking free at the min after being cleared of stabbing a chap 28 times last year. Fair enough the victim had being caught out in his own web of lies but surely that’s not enough to have a serious case like that basically dismissed?

    yes and remove all the cushy items when they arrive in prison example, TV radio, remove signal so phone cant be used, punish them don't send them on holiday with friends, basic food, prisoners are better feed than our homeless, 25 to life should be minimum for murder, most murders end up as manslaughter charges anyway, also i remember when i was homeless and got send to st patricks institution for shoplifting, not justifying it, but when i was there, i asked a prison officer why on earth has the rapist and peado's have a pool table on there landing down the base, i was told by prison officer that there not criminals there down as sick - unwell, they need to punished not giving gifts, you do not reward bad behavior obviously


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    #4454
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Hodors Appletart wrote: »
    Do people advocating the death penalty know how utterly stupid they sound? Are you also supporters of an Irish form of Brexit, because that's what it would take, the EU doesn't allow members to have a death sentence.

    Engage the brains a bit lads.

    Yes we'd have to pay a fine but if we did it all at once it would be grand. It would all blow over straight away.

    What you wouldn't want is for it to go on for years.

    1000 hangings in 1 week - then mea culpa pay the fine and move on.


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    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,144 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    That's very trite. The alternativea are the legalisation and regulation of cocaine or else spiralling lawlessness and an eventual narco state.

    trite but also true.


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    #4456
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Yes we'd have to pay a fine but if we did it all at once it would be grand. It would all blow over straight away.

    What you wouldn't want is for it to go on for years.

    1000 hangings in 1 week - then mea culpa pay the fine and move on.

    Not sure if you are off your rocker but this wouldn't work

    Demand needs supply and those 1000 wouldn't even be cold before the next 1000 were dealing


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    #4457
    declanleo
    Registered Users Posts: 741 ✭✭✭declanleo


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    If cocaine were legalised the social consequences could be extraordinary. Or maybe there would be no disaster.

    The alternatives are legalisation of cocaine and reintroduction of the death penalty (and some innocent people will be executed).

    You can't legalise cocaine or heroin. It's nonsensical to suggest otherwise


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    #4458
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,110 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    declanleo wrote: »
    You can't legalise cocaine or heroin.

    You could certainly control the sale and supply of it through government agencies at a lower price than the crims sell it. Kill their market there and then.
    Not that I'm sure that would work, but it would certainly be possible.


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    #4459
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    declanleo wrote: »
    You can't legalise cocaine or heroin. It's nonsensical to suggest otherwise

    If you can't execute drug dealers and you can't legalise cocaine then this level of criminality is inevitable and something we are choosing as a society.


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    #4460
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    ballsdeep69 wrote: »
    yes and remove all the cushy items when they arrive in prison example, TV radio, remove signal so phone cant be used, punish them don't send them on holiday with friends, basic food, prisoners are better feed than our homeless, 25 to life should be minimum for murder, most murders end up as manslaughter charges anyway, also i remember when i was homeless and got send to st patricks institution for shoplifting, not justifying it, but when i was there, i asked a prison officer why on earth has the rapist and peado's have a pool table on there landing down the base, i was told by prison officer that there not criminals there down as sick - unwell, they need to punished not giving gifts, you do not reward bad behavior obviously
    Well this part isn't true


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    #4461
    Executioner511
    Registered Users Posts: 35 ✭Executioner511


    spurious wrote: »
    You could certainly control the sale and supply of it through government agencies at a lower price than the crims sell it. Kill their market there and then.
    Not that I'm sure that would work, but it would certainly be possible.
    Criminals would just move onto selling harder drugs and other illegal activities it's not like they will turn into Choir boys overnight if Cocaine was legalized .


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    #4462
    TwoMonthsOff
    Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭TwoMonthsOff


    Cannabis should be legalised, and harsh sentences for those caught with even a small amount of class A Drugs and I mean south east Asia harsh...


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    #4463
    The gray bird
    Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭The gray bird


    This is gonna get out of control now they over stepped the line sisters mothers and kids will be fair game now to the Maguires.


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    #4464
    begbysback
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    walshb wrote: »
    Question to all:

    Tried and convicted of being a member of a criminal gang/organization:

    Sentence?

    So walshb, quite a few years ago I used to frequent the boxing forum, and I could be wrong but I do believe you may have boxed at amateur level or further, so let’s say the guards are gathering evidence of criminal associations, because other than actual proof of criminality a member of a criminal organization can really only be proven by associations, let’s say they see walshb frequently in the company of gang members in the locality of the gym - is walshb innocent or guilty?


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    #4465
    White lighting
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭White lighting


    TwoMonthsOff wrote: »
    Cannabis should be legalised, and harsh sentences for those caught with even a small amount of class A Drugs and I mean south east Asia harsh...


    Seen more of my friends heads get fried smoking cannabis than snorting coke.


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    #4466
    Bounty hunter 123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭Bounty hunter 123


    Blood stains found in the house rathmullen park
    now a crime scene


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    #4467
    ghostfacekilla
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭ghostfacekilla


    Off topic: the whistleblower's spelling has dramatically improved. Apostrophes and everything in the arsenal of whoever is behind the current handle.


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    #4468
    declanleo
    Registered Users Posts: 741 ✭✭✭declanleo


    spurious wrote: »
    You could certainly control the sale and supply of it through government agencies at a lower price than the crims sell it. Kill their market there and then.
    Not that I'm sure that would work, but it would certainly be possible.

    Where are the government agencies going to source it? It ain't happening


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    White lighting
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭White lighting


    declanleo wrote: »
    Where are the government agencies going to source it? It ain't happening


    Daniel Kinahan


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    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,363 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Nift wrote: »
    Pretty well in some parts - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City
    That's one of the states with no capital punishment, yeah?


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    #4471
    Joe Don Dante
    Registered Users Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Joe Don Dante


    He pulls a knife, you pull a gun, he sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue, that's the Chicago way


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