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05-06-2019, 11:53   #1156
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Some people just can't understand that you can't dictate what people choose to do in a free society and want to impose their view of what should be acceptable as unwritten rules that everybody should follow.

We continually give reasons on this thread about why we support English teams, but seems more like we're being judged for doing so rather than helping the questioners understand the mentality.

It's pretty cut and dry as I see it.
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05-06-2019, 11:57   #1157
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Why do Bohemians have higher attendances when they are at top of the table?
If Shelbourne get promoted back to Premier Division, should they insist only people who attended in Division One can get in?
Should they turn away any new fans as insulting to real fans?

Why even bother attending a Bohemians and Shelbourne, if they don't care about the level watch an even more local team like Home Farm or Fairview CY?

Based on your model of real football fans, there should be an equal distribution of real fans according to how local the team is.
Bohemians shouldn't have more fans than a team in the Leinster Senior League.
The Leinster senior league is actual Sunday league, not comparable. Its not an either or in that case either, you can support both Home Farm and Bohs if you want.
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05-06-2019, 12:01   #1158
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I love the "how could someone from mayo support a team from sligo/Galway" argument because equally as valid is "how could someone from Ireland support a team from England"
The problem here is thanks to the GAA it would feel like your supporting a rival county but if you suppport a foreign team theres no rivalry. If someone from Mayo wants to follow a team in sligo/Galway theres nothing wrong with this but there not going to be supporting there own community. Most people in Ireland dont have a LOI club representing there community so therefore supporting your community is not relevant to most Irish people. To most Irish football fans following a foreign team is able to provide an enjoyable and rewarding experience that LOI cant match
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Why do Bohemians have higher attendances when they are at top of the table?
If Shelbourne get promoted back to Premier Division, should they insist only people who attended in Division One can get in?
Should they turn away any new fans as insulting to real fans?

Why even bother attending a Bohemians and Shelbourne, if they don't care about the level watch an even more local team like Home Farm or Fairview CY?

Based on your model of real football fans, there should be an equal distribution of real fans according to how local the team is.
Bohemians shouldn't have more fans than a team in the Leinster Senior League.
They can support both as they are football fans and enjoy games Leinster Senior League, Bohs whoever.

Example Stephen Ward.
A fella from Portmarock might follow his career and support/follow the teams he plays for.
Because Ward used to play for Portmarock in the Leinster Senior league, then the Portmarock fella follows Bohs/Wolves/Burnley etc as a result.

That seems far more logical to me.
But a lot of Irish Premier League league supporters just have thier Premier League top six team.
That is the point I am making it is not a natural football supporter as an Irish Premier League supporter, it is not organic. The attraction is more based on prestige more than any connection.
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05-06-2019, 12:08   #1160
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The problem here is thanks to the GAA it would feel like your supporting a rival county but if you suppport a foreign team theres no rivalry. If someone from Mayo wants to follow a team in sligo/Galway theres nothing wrong with this but there not going to be supporting there own community. Most people in Ireland dont have a LOI club representing there community so therefore supporting your community is not relevant to most Irish people. To most Irish football fans following a foreign team is able to provide an enjoyable and rewarding experience that LOI cant match
Personally I can’t understand how folk can watch loads of soccer matches that they have no emotional investment in. I understand that folk want to root for their team and are highly invested in it, and that in itself is a form of entertainment, but how do people sit down and watch the likes of Burnley v West Ham or Huddersfield v Southampton.

Every now and again there are games which do entertain, the CL semi-finals for example, but 9 out of 10 soccer games on TV are incredibly boring.

To me, the emperor has no clothes.
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05-06-2019, 12:09   #1161
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Some people just can't understand that you can't dictate what people choose to do in a free society and want to impose their view of what should be acceptable as unwritten rules that everybody should follow.

We continually give reasons on this thread about why we support English teams, but seems more like we're being judged for doing so rather than helping the questioners understand the mentality.

It's pretty cut and dry as I see it.
People are allowed disagree with you.
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The problem here is thanks to the GAA it would feel like your supporting a rival county but if you suppport a foreign team theres no rivalry. If someone from Mayo wants to follow a team in sligo/Galway theres nothing wrong with this but there not going to be supporting there own community. Most people in Ireland dont have a LOI club representing there community so therefore supporting your community is not relevant to most Irish people. To most Irish football fans following a foreign team is able to provide an enjoyable and rewarding experience that LOI cant match
You could take literally every single point you made there and apply it equally to supporting an English team
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05-06-2019, 12:10   #1163
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I've never been in a pub for FA Cup final day but I have seen people over here give out yards on Facebook. ''Why are they playing that f*cking anthem, horrible''. Well pal, Manchester is in England and that's the anthem they use. It's the English cup final... their final, not yours.
You sound quite bitter and would probably make a good Everton fan
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05-06-2019, 12:13   #1164
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The Leinster senior league is actual Sunday league, not comparable. Its not an either or in that case either, you can support both Home Farm and Bohs if you want.
If the level of the sport doesn't matter, you are being a prestige glory hunter by picking a LOI team over a Leinster Senior League team, unless the LOI's team ground is closer to you.
If the level of the sport does matter, then someone picking Bohs over Home Farm, or Liverpool over Bohs, are comparable.
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05-06-2019, 12:19   #1165
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Why do Irish people support NFL teams?
Why do Irish people watch and enjoy tennis and have favourite players such as Serena Williams or Rafa Nadal instead of James McGee (who I had to google if there was any Irish tennis players )?
Why do Irish people watch Formula 1 and pick Mercedes over Jordan?
Why do Irish people play cricket, and then chose to play for Englans?
Why do Irish people watch NBA basketball and support the Chicago Bulls instead of Moycullen?
Why do Irish people watch and enjoy golf, and have golfers such as Speith as thir favorite, rather than Rory McIlroy with his changing allegiance?
By NFL you mean Ameircan football I don't follow it.
I am not into Tennis and don't follow that at all - are the players representing a place or themselves?
I know Davis Cup is the only international tennis tournament barring the Olympics

Formula one. I can remember following it a bit when Eddie Jordan was there with Eddie Irivine. Because they were felas from the island of Ireland.
And it was the first time I ever heard of Ireland spoken of in a formula one context.
There was anthems at the end if there was a podium finish.
But I lost interest fairly quickly when Eddie Jordan sold his team.
I have not watched formula one since I think.
So it is proven I was not really a fan of the sport at all, it was just a curiosity for me while Jordan was there.

I don't follow Cricket but I know the Eoin Morgan move was a 'career move' he said so himself.

Back in the 80's there was a basketball craze in Ireland - NBA was on channel 4.
But there was great interest in local teams Ballina Stephenites and Killester among the Basketball fraternity.

I am not really into Golf but again - in most competitions don't golfers represent themselves rather than thier country?
It is not a place they represent not matter how often the News readers say 'best of the Irish'
There are no anthems at the end when they lift the cup.

There is no 'place' element in golf Except Ryder Cup/Olympics (Mcllroy controversy)
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05-06-2019, 12:20   #1166
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But if any player lives in a country continuously for five years regardless of any connection he can play for that country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_e...Modern_changes
FIFA article 7 (d)
He has lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18 on the territory of the relevant association.
Could Declan Rice play for The Netherlands in their next game?
Why not?

Could he play for Ajax in their next game, if they agreed terms and transfer fee with West Ham?
Why?
See how club football and international football are different?
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05-06-2019, 12:26   #1167
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If the level of the sport doesn't matter, you are being a prestige glory hunter by picking a LOI team over a Leinster Senior League team, unless the LOI's team ground is closer to you.
If the level of the sport does matter, then someone picking Bohs over Home Farm, or Liverpool over Bohs, are comparable.
No because 1. The leagues don't clash so, as you've been told numerous times, you can do both. And 2. You're comparing a Sunday league team to a national league outfit. If the LSL or other provincial equivalents were the 3rd tier of the LOI you'd have a point, but they're not so you may as well be saying if your local rugby club is closer than the RDS to you you can't support Leinster.
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05-06-2019, 12:29   #1168
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People are allowed disagree with you.
By the way I know this is an aside.
But I was told Bobby Sands supported Aston Villa (on this thread).
So that was what the dirty protest was all about he wanted to wear a villa jersey in prison?

What I want to know is did Sands only really start supporting Villa when they won the league?
He died before the Euro Cup win.


http://www.heroesandvillains.info/fo...?topic=50325.0


A quote from that villa forum above -

One of his contemporaries insides the H-Blocks Seanna Walsh -
"I first met Bobby in January 1973 when we were in the same Cage and he had that cocky Belfast dander and a Rod Stewart haircut....(he was a) mate who enjoyed a bit of craic and slagging," Seanna joked that he was "the only person inside to support Aston Villa--God help him."

He starved himself to death in May 1981 - so didn't live to see the AV lift the European Cup.

I knew many 'bad boys' at the time in Belfast - the loyalists I mixed with tended to be Liverpool fans and an ex-IRA prisoner I knew supported Man City.






There is no mention if he used the term 'we' when referring to Villa.

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Could Declan Rice play for The Netherlands in their next game?
Why not?

Could he play for Ajax in their next game, if they agreed terms and transfer fee with West Ham?
Why?
See how club football and international football are different?
That is fine from the playing sense, but there is still enormous freedom to change allegiance.

But in the supporting sense I do not understand the difference.

I am not allowed to support Holland over Ireland.

Yet Rice can play for Ireland 3 times, switch to England.
He could also have moved to Holland lived there for 5 years straight and played for them.

But a Premier League Irish fan can randomly pick a team if they wish. no bother. No one bats an eyelid.
Rice can do what he likes, there is a bit of tension.

But I would be looked on as a 'head the ball' as an Dub if I supported Holland over Ireland.

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That is fine from the playing sense, but there is still enormous freedom to change allegiance.

But in the supporting sense I do not understand the difference.

I am not allowed to support Holland over Ireland.


Yet Rice can play for Ireland 3 times, switch to England.
He could also have moved to Holland lived there for 5 years straight and played for them.

But a Premier League Irish fan can randomly pick a team if they wish. no bother. No one bats an eyelid.
Rice can do what he likes, there is a bit of tension.

But I would be looked on as a 'head the ball' as an Dub if I supported Holland over Ireland.
says who?
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