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09-03-2019, 23:35   #406
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Because one of the best things about been Irish in supporting an English football club, those who don't support an English team are missing out, I'm gratefull for the hundredths of hours of entertainment my English club have given me. No musician, tv series, film series or writer have given me as much joy. More importantly the love of my club has given me a hobby I can talk to thousands of people about. Football is a global game and an entertainment product, those people who think you can only support your local team are very sad and closed minded individuals
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"One of the best things about being Irish is you get to pretend to be English for 90 minutes a week, sometimes even 180 or 270"
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I was born and raised in Tipperary. My mother kept the home when Dad worked.

Dad worked in the merchant navy for yrs and loved soccer.


He lived in Inchicore when I was born. He was an officer on the Holyhead ferry.


We used to go to Richmond Park. Some of my earliest memomories in life are of him swearing and getting angry with me up on his lap.




He was a very emotive man, but very loving.


I just could never get why most of Dublin and the rest of the country supported the English league .
Why does anybody Irish or otherwise bother wondering what sports/ team etc I choose to follow.
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I enjoy watching football so I brought my son to a few League of Ireland games when he was a young boy. The language out of the Ultras was foul, their faces contorted and twisted beyond recognition with hate, lads in their mid forties chanting vile rhymes in English accents about the other side. Feral children running around like packs of wild animals. Letting off flares.

When we were walking out of the park after one match, I bent down to my son and told him that the behaviour we had witnessed from the "fans" that evening was bilious and I urged him to never consider engaging in it himself. When righting wrongs his voice must be heard. But at a football game, silence can be even more devastating than jeering. We both swore that we would never go to a League of Ireland game again. The quality's better in the Premier League anyway, and the Spanish League is better still.
One country out of England and Ireland has had its clubs banned from competitions because of the behaviour of their fans, I'll let you work out which it was.

Also love the vagueness of the little story you've come up with there no teams or stadiums or dates or anything nice one.
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Mostly its Father to Son stuff.

I know there is father-to-son stuff, but it tends to only be the case if the team is doing well when they're getting in to football. A fair amount of Leeds fans back in the day, but very few of their kids support them.
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It was a tongue in cheek reference to the rivalry between the two clubs which, even someone who's not into English football, I assumed would be aware of.
Because you're not actually rivals I really don't know how you think it's relevant what teams you follow when Liverpool vs Manchester rivalry actually has very little to do with football and everything to do with the actual cities and the people that actually live in them. Two cities that from the sound of it neither of you have ever lived in and at best only have the faintest connection to so you're not rivals at all. People from Liverpool and Manchester are rivals, you guys just happen to watch the teams that represent these areas on TV every week.
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Because you're not actually rivals I really don't know how you think it's relevant what teams you follow when Liverpool vs Manchester rivalry actually has very little to do with football and everything to do with the actual cities and the people that actually live in them. Two cities that from the sound of it neither of you have ever lived in and at best only have the faintest connection to so you're not rivals at all. People from Liverpool and Manchester are rivals, you guys just happen to watch the teams that represent these areas on TV every week.
Are you unfamiliar with term "tongue in cheek" yeah?
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Because you're not actually rivals I really don't know how you think it's relevant what teams you follow when Liverpool vs Manchester rivalry actually has very little to do with football and everything to do with the actual cities and the people that actually live in them. Two cities that from the sound of it neither of you have ever lived in and at best only have the faintest connection to so you're not rivals at all. People from Liverpool and Manchester are rivals, you guys just happen to watch the teams that represent these areas on TV every week.
So would it be stupid for someone from Kerry who is a Cork Cory supporter to hare their rivals?
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One country out of England and Ireland has had its clubs banned from competitions because of the behaviour of their fans, I'll let you work out which it was.

Also love the vagueness of the little story you've come up with there no teams or stadiums or dates or anything nice one.
Do you mean the English ban from Europe in the 80s? You might want to find an example from this century.

Also what evidence are you expecting? Ticket stubs? Photos? Newspaper clippings? Maybe some satellite photos from the day, yeah? With thermal imagery? Get ****ing real, man, it was a football match I went to over a decade ago.
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I know there is father-to-son stuff, but it tends to only be the case if the team is doing well when they're getting in to football. A fair amount of Leeds fans back in the day, but very few of their kids support them.
Bit of rebellion too. Lot of Arsenal fans who's Dads were United fans and so on.
But they still remain within the same sport.
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Do you mean the English ban from Europe in the 80s? You might want to find an example from this century.

Also what evidence are you expecting? Ticket stubs? Photos? Newspaper clippings? Maybe some satellite photos from the day, yeah? With thermal imagery? Get ****ing real, man, it was a football match I went to over a decade ago.
So do you want the Chelsea fan being racist? The Tottenham fan being racist? The Southampton fans making plane gestures in Cardiff after the plane went missing? The bottle thrown at Di Maria? Lingard having a coin thrown at him? That's just the ones this season off the top of my head, need I go on?

Well teams involved would be a start, and a year? Over a decade ago my that's such a long time it's a wonder you remember any details at all nevermind who was playing that's completely understandable actually. Was it all filmed on Snapchat too like your fellow vague storyteller?

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So would it be stupid for someone from Kerry who is a Cork Cory supporter to hare their rivals?
Well Kerry isn't a city and their rivaly is very much purely sporting based so it's not the same at all. The Manchester Liverpool rivalry is far more than sports based
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So do you want the Chelsea fan being racist? The Tottenham fan being racist? The Southampton fans making plane gestures in Cardiff after the plane went missing? The bottle thrown at Di Maria? Lingard having a coin thrown at him? That's just the ones this season off the top of my head, need I go on?

Well teams involved would be a start, and a year? Over a decade ago my that's such a long time it's a wonder you remember any details at all nevermind who was playing that's completely understandable actually. Was it all filmed on Snapchat too like your fellow vague storyteller?



Well Kerry isn't a city and their rivaly is very much purely sporting based so it's not the same at all. The Manchester Liverpool rivalry is far more than sports based
Are you drunk? Calm down good man, you’re talking gibberish.
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I just could never get why most of Dublin and the rest of the country supported the English league .
Well you might need to take a seat for what I'm about to tell you but lots of people in Norway follow the English league and they've got teams like Rosenborg who used regularly qualify for the CL group stages. A bar better domestic alternative than what the LoI offers.

And what about all the fans in Asia and Australia staying up till all hours of the morning to watch English teams. They have local leagues too.

If you don't get it you probably never will. Like an American Football fan in Ireland moaning about people watching the NFL instead of the Irish American Football League, though I haven't encountered that yet funnily enough.
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The reasons are self evident,

Nearest strong league with high standard of football, big clubs from big cities with large fanbases, same reason why loads of Scandinavians follow Liverpool or Man Utd for instance.

Strong historical Irish connections to Merseyside and Manchester in particular.

All our outstanding players from the island have ended up there, Best, Keane, Giles, Brady, Whelan, et al

England/the U.K is regarded as the 'near abroad', I've never regarded English, Scots or Welsh folk as foreign even though they're from another jurisdiction, I don't think that's West Britishness, it's just familiarity.

Can't see why someone can't follow both a League of Ireland team and an English one, it's no big deal, the purists strike me as a bit of an odd bunch, the Shamrock Rovers hooligan types have always struck me as aping a particularly British type of behavior as well, if that was pointed out to them I'm sure it would wane a bit.
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Are you drunk? Calm down good man, you’re talking gibberish.
so we'll file you're story under "Did it happen? Did it ****" aswell so.

If you just want to pretend to be English for a couple of hours a week just say that. No need to make up **** stories as your "reasons".
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so we'll file you're story under "Did it happen? Did it ****" aswell so.

If you just want to pretend to be English for a couple of hours a week just say that. No need to make up **** stories as your "reasons".
Pretend to be English? For watching a football match??? Alright you’ve clearly had a few shandies tonight. I’d say you’ll be fairly sheepish in the morning. Anyway, don’t worry about it.
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