Boards.ie uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Click here to find out more x
Post Reply  
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
22-02-2015, 22:48   #46
JCX BXC
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 16,772
If only United started the transatlantic 757 revolution a few years earlier.
JCX BXC is offline  
Thanks from:
Advertisement
22-02-2015, 22:56   #47
L1011
Moderator
 
L1011's Avatar
2004 Tenger

Its odd to think that the A300 even managed to outlive it in production despite being nearly a decade older; but the reality is that the 757 was far too much plane for 95% of what it was ever used for; TATL is a tiny fraction of what it does even now.
L1011 is offline  
(2) thanks from:
22-02-2015, 22:57   #48
Tenger
Moderator
 
Tenger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 8,250
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnacalla View Post
If only United started the transatlantic 757 revolution a few years earlier.
I thought it was Continental who started using B757-200's T/A. But this was after production ended.
The use of the B757 actually came about due to the post-9/11 downturn. New aircraft were not bought and airlines had to make existing routes more efficient. So the B757 started to replace B767's on some less profitable routes....

Quote:
Originally Posted by L1011 View Post
2004 Tenger ...
I really should check Wikipedia more often!!

Time for bed for me then....
Tenger is offline  
Thanks from:
22-02-2015, 23:00   #49
JCX BXC
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 16,772
Quote:
Originally Posted by L1011 View Post
TATL is a tiny fraction of what it does even now.
I doubt that, Alot of the american beasts are replacing their domestic 757's with A320/A321's and 737's. Soon Id say that TATL will be the main use of 757's
JCX BXC is offline  
22-02-2015, 23:00   #50
L1011
Moderator
 
L1011's Avatar
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenger View Post
I thought it was Continental who started using B757-200's T/A. But this was after production ended.
First 757s TATL were charter airlines in the 80s, Continental started in the mid 1990s with a few routes, as did BA and AA.

It was the winglet retrofit which came out after production ended that really pushed the TATL routes though; brought the range up enough to change a lot of routes from marginal to possible most days.
L1011 is offline  
(2) thanks from:
Advertisement
22-02-2015, 23:01   #51
JCX BXC
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 16,772
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenger View Post
I thought it was Continental who started using B757-200's T/A.
Sorry you are correct, with Continental merging into United I mixed the names.
JCX BXC is offline  
Thanks from:
22-02-2015, 23:03   #52
L1011
Moderator
 
L1011's Avatar
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnacalla View Post
I doubt that, Alot of the american beasts are replacing their domestic 757's with A320/A321's and 737's. Soon Id say that TATL will be the main use of 757's
9 to 14% of 757s are used for TATL. Its going to grow but its really not a huge market, or even what the bulk of them will be used for.

The 737-900 is the main replacement on US domestic longhauls but it hasn't got the range or the runway performance for some of it, e.g. getting out of LGA is troublesome at best with it.
L1011 is offline  
Thanks from:
22-02-2015, 23:03   #53
JCX BXC
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 16,772
Quote:
Originally Posted by L1011 View Post
First 757s TATL were charter airlines in the 80s, Continental started in the mid 1990s with a few routes, as did BA and AA.

It was the winglet retrofit which came out after production ended that really pushed the TATL routes though; brought the range up enough to change a lot of routes from marginal to possible most days.
After 9/11, Continental had the hardest push with the 757's and so they are credited with starting the major 757 TATL operations.

As an alternative to the A321 Neo, could Aer Lingus look into buying a few 767-200ER's? Unlikely, but its something to consider.
JCX BXC is offline  
22-02-2015, 23:06   #54
L1011
Moderator
 
L1011's Avatar
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnacalla View Post
As an alternative to the A321 Neo, could Aer Lingus look into buying a few 767-200ER's? Unlikely, but its something to consider.
Cost-wise there's little if any advantage; they may as well just get 332s if they're going to go larger at all. There's not many 762s left anyway, probably 20 or so flyable, even though you can order them new - if you're insane. 767 line is open due to the freighters and tankers; some passenger 763s were delivered last year I think.
L1011 is offline  
(2) thanks from:
Advertisement
22-02-2015, 23:09   #55
JCX BXC
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 16,772
Quote:
Originally Posted by L1011 View Post
Cost-wise there's little if any advantage; they may as well just get 332s if they're going to go larger at all. There's not many 762s left anyway, probably 20 or so flyable, even though you can order them new - if you're insane. 767 line is open due to the freighters and tankers; some passenger 763s were delivered last year I think.
My thoughts are Shannon and thin routes from Dublin. Would an A332 be too much plane for shannon outside of the summer months?
JCX BXC is offline  
22-02-2015, 23:12   #56
L1011
Moderator
 
L1011's Avatar
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnacalla View Post
My thoughts are Shannon and thin routes from Dublin. Would an A332 be too much plane for shannon outside of the summer months?
It was before, but a 762 isn't enough less in terms of costs. Even if they found some decent ones you're looking at a 15 year old bird (with a 30 year old design) at best. Smaller plane doesn't directly equal smaller operating costs.

I know they're using one this summer but that's basically a case of what's available - the Tristar and MD11 definitely weren't economic to be new introductions to a fleet when they used them in the early 2000s for instance.
L1011 is offline  
23-02-2015, 06:07   #57
arubex
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 1,195
For 767-200ER vs A330-200, just as a paper exercise, I found this report from the time of the USAF tanker selection:

https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...rt_2007-11.pdf

Even though it paints the A330 in the worst possible light ( it was part of the Boeing bid ) it still shows the A330 having 30% more passenger capacity for 24% more fuel consumption.

When you add in the extra cargo capacity of the A330 ( and it can take LD3s, the 767 cannot ) then the gap will widen even more.

The only 767 that came close to the A330-200 was the -400; Delta's published figures put the two of them very close together. But it's not available on the leasing market.

Most airlines now pick the A330-300 though, since iterative improvements have given it much of the range that originally led to the -200 but with yet more capacity.
arubex is offline  
(2) thanks from:
23-02-2015, 11:47   #58
Preset No.3
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,346
Titan operating EI2139 today to BOS
Preset No.3 is offline  
(2) thanks from:
23-02-2015, 18:56   #59
Tenger
Moderator
 
Tenger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 8,250
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnacalla View Post
My thoughts are Shannon and thin routes from Dublin. Would an A332 be too much plane for shannon outside of the summer months?
I think so, probably for the foreseable future there will be no more EI A330's ex-SNN.
EI B757:~165 seats, Omni B762: ~205, EI A332: 267 seats.
A321neo-LR will be around 190-200 seats.
Tenger is offline  
Thanks from:
23-02-2015, 19:09   #60
EICVD
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 889
Quote:
Originally Posted by Preset No.3 View Post
Titan operating EI2139 today to BOS
EI were hoping Titan would operate this flight yesterday evening but was cancelled, pax can't have been happy having 2 flights cancelled & departing a day late!
EICVD is offline  
Post Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Remove Text Formatting
Bold
Italic
Underline

Insert Image
Wrap [QUOTE] tags around selected text
 
Decrease Size
Increase Size
Please sign up or log in to join the discussion

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search



Share Tweet