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Leaf or Prius?

  • 13-07-2019 9:55am
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    I do less than 10,000 KM a year. Mixture of driving - short runs, some motorway, national roads, no major driving of any, all kinda mixed up. Work is 50km round trip.
    Have narrowed my next car down to a 2010/11 Prius or a 132/141 Leaf.

    Plan to hold on to the car for at least 3 years anyway.

    Could probably get Prius for 9,000 Euro
    Leaf maybe 10,500



    Obviously, one has to think about the age of the car and resale. I would have to go older on the Prius and can get a newer leaf. But not sure how the leaf value will be in 3 years from now with battery etc.
    But probably come 3 years, both cars won’t be worth much anyway. Would be a 12/13 year old Prius or a 9/10 year old leaf.

    Car will be predominantly used by myself, the better half has her own diesel car.

    Any thoughts on which one to take a punt on?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 626 ✭✭✭kaahooters


    Swap the diesel for the prius and get the leaf for you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 80,798 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn


    Both will be worth circa half what you buy them for in 3 years, the Leaf perhaps less because the battery may degrade to a level that puts buyers off.


  • Registered Users Posts: 73,365 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    kaahooters wrote: »
    Swap the diesel for the prius and get the leaf for you.

    Or just jeep the diesel if it’s doing the job.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Or just jeep the diesel if it’s doing the job.


    Will be keeping the diesel. That is fine. No issue there.

    Just concerned with the Prius v Leaf for myself.


  • Registered Users Posts: 73,365 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    I’d chance the leaf.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    I’d chance the leaf.


    I don’t want to really take a big chance though :)

    The leaf is probably going to cost nearly 2000 more.


  • Registered Users Posts: 73,365 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    That’s nothing. Think of the fuel savings.
    Anything you buy is a gamble anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭0lddog


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    That’s nothing. Think of the fuel savings.
    .......


    also serious potential savings on tolls


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    0lddog wrote: »
    also serious potential savings on tolls


    True. Would not be going through that many tolls though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    0lddog wrote: »
    also serious potential savings on tolls

    How do you save on tolls? Do you need to get a tag?


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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 23,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    This is an ideal use case for a leaf imo. Another car in the household if you need to do those once off big trips and don't want to charge in between. Little mileage to cover otherwise. There's a lot of value to be had in second hand leafs too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Do you have to pay VRT when importing electric cars from the North?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    VRT is free for importing from UK/Northern Ireland once you dont get a Tesla for 50k....

    You get reduced tolls as well, you do need to get an account with one of the suppliers. Some pay as you go options as well but I don't know about them as I always had account.

    You do need a home and you do need to install a charge point or it will be painful. You get a 600 euro grant for the charger and expect quotes for 1k to install. So you need to put 400 quid on top.

    To be honest you would be crazy to buy a Prius, on top of the fuel costs the service costs would save you a fortune.

    The Leaf is holding value better than anything, sample case, I bought Leaf 2 years ago for under 7k, could sell today for 8-9k. Now the market has levelled itself out now so you wont see that gain but with the lack of electric cars and good ones you will lose less compared to the Prius.

    Not sure why you think in 3 years it wont be worth anything? The Leaf I got was a 2012. With the Leaf you are talking about it, you should look for the 1.5 version which has the newer battery and eco button, will hold value better.

    If you are close to Naas, would be worth discussing the electric autos. They will sort you out, specialist at electric cars and can also get charger form them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    If you are close to Naas, would be worth discussing the electric autos. They will sort you out, specialist at electric cars and can also get charger form them.

    Is this site the best to search for cars in the North?
    https://www.usedcarsni.com/search_results.php?search_type=1&make=20&fuel_type=1&age_from=2014&price_from=0&user_type=0&model=2265920&trans_type=0&age_to=2015&price_to=0&mileage_to=0&keywords=&location%5B%5D=0&body_style=0&doors=999999&tax_cost=999999

    Would all the Leafs from 2014 on be the 1.5 version?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan




    Im not a Leaf expert, I think the 1.5 came out around then but maybe post in the main electric car forums as the people on it will know....


    I use usedcarsni....autotraderalso have a NI version


    You can check donedeal as well

    Also this facebook website has a For Sale section, you need to apply for access
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/irishevowners/?ref=bookmarks


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Im not a Leaf expert, I think the 1.5 came out around then but maybe post in the main electric car forums as the people on it will know....


    I use usedcarsni....autotraderalso have a NI version


    You can check donedeal as well

    Also this facebook website has a For Sale section, you need to apply for access
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/irishevowners/?ref=bookmarks

    Cheers Shefwedfan


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Cheers Shefwedfan

    As I said above worth giving Phil a call in electric autos, he has looked after a lot of people buying electric cars and can source to budget

    I have bought 2 cars so far off him and looking at a 3rd potentially


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    VRT is free for importing from UK/Northern Ireland once you dont get a Tesla for 50k....

    You get reduced tolls as well, you do need to get an account with one of the suppliers. Some pay as you go options as well but I don't know about them as I always had account.

    You do need a home and you do need to install a charge point or it will be painful. You get a 600 euro grant for the charger and expect quotes for 1k to install. So you need to put 400 quid on top.

    To be honest you would be crazy to buy a Prius, on top of the fuel costs the service costs would save you a fortune.

    The Leaf is holding value better than anything, sample case, I bought Leaf 2 years ago for under 7k, could sell today for 8-9k. Now the market has levelled itself out now so you wont see that gain but with the lack of electric cars and good ones you will lose less compared to the Prius.

    Not sure why you think in 3 years it wont be worth anything? The Leaf I got was a 2012. With the Leaf you are talking about it, you should look for the 1.5 version which has the newer battery and eco button, will hold value better.

    If you are close to Naas, would be worth discussing the electric autos. They will sort you out, specialist at electric cars and can also get charger form them.


    Hi

    Just seems to be a freak thing the way your Leaf gained in value. That’s a very rare thing to happen with cars as far as I’m aware. Reason I think it won’t be worth much is purely down to the battery and losing bars etc. Which could well happen in freak mode the other way in 3 years time :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    VRT is free for importing from UK/Northern Ireland once you dont get a Tesla for 50k....

    You get reduced tolls as well, you do need to get an account with one of the suppliers. Some pay as you go options as well but I don't know about them as I always had account.

    You do need a home and you do need to install a charge point or it will be painful. You get a 600 euro grant for the charger and expect quotes for 1k to install. So you need to put 400 quid on top.

    To be honest you would be crazy to buy a Prius, on top of the fuel costs the service costs would save you a fortune.

    The Leaf is holding value better than anything, sample case, I bought Leaf 2 years ago for under 7k, could sell today for 8-9k. Now the market has levelled itself out now so you wont see that gain but with the lack of electric cars and good ones you will lose less compared to the Prius.

    Not sure why you think in 3 years it wont be worth anything? The Leaf I got was a 2012. With the Leaf you are talking about it, you should look for the 1.5 version which has the newer battery and eco button, will hold value better.

    If you are close to Naas, would be worth discussing the electric autos. They will sort you out, specialist at electric cars and can also get charger form them.


    Will a home charge point really be 1000? I know this includes install but seems steep.

    So your thoughts is that this is a no brainier choice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Will a home charge point really be 1000? I know this includes install but seems steep.

    So your thoughts is that this is a no brainier choice.


    SEAI came out with grant and of course the price jumped....


    I got a free charger with my car and got installed for just over 200 quid. That was before the grant came in, once it was announced then everything jumped by 500 quid so the grant is more or less taken by the contractor....standard practise with any SEAI grant


    In reality the charge point is a glorified plug but it is so easy to have installed. You can charge the car from a standad plug, so if you have outside plug you could use but it is a lot slower


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Will a home charge point really be 1000? I know this includes install but seems steep.

    So your thoughts is that this is a no brainier choice.


    In terms of the car, yes no brainer to go electric.


    We have one diesel and one electric. We use the electric for everything unless we have a long trip, first year we saved over 1k on fuel alone.



    All those short trisp to shops etc, all done on electric.Put in night/day meter and the cost to charge the car didn't put up our monthly bill as we swapped all the white good to run at night.....


    Now over the last year I think it went up a tenner a month but compared toa 90 euro fill of diesel every week to 2 weeks it is huge savings.



    With our current requirements if I could get a large 7 seater full electric I would swap the diesel as well


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    SEAI came out with grant and of course the price jumped....


    I got a free charger with my car and got installed for just over 200 quid. That was before the grant came in, once it was announced then everything jumped by 500 quid so the grant is more or less taken by the contractor....standard practise with any SEAI grant


    In reality the charge point is a glorified plug but it is so easy to have installed. You can charge the car from a standad plug, so if you have outside plug you could use but it is a lot slower

    In regard to the in built charger and the 3.6 kw versus the 6.6 kw. Will using the ‘granny cable’ make any difference here? Or does this only matter when charging via the dedicated home charge point or 22kw public charge point?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    In regard to the in built charger and the 3.6 kw versus the 6.6 kw. Will using the ‘granny cable’ make any difference here? Or does this only matter when charging via the dedicated home charge point or 22kw public charge point?

    Granny cable will not make any difference

    If you install a home charge point you get the 32amp version which will allow you to take advantage of the 6.6kw port

    Majority of charging will be done at night and the faster charger won’t make any difference as it will be plugged in for 8 hours anyway


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    In terms of the car, yes no brainer to go electric.


    We have one diesel and one electric. We use the electric for everything unless we have a long trip, first year we saved over 1k on fuel alone.



    All those short trisp to shops etc, all done on electric.Put in night/day meter and the cost to charge the car didn't put up our monthly bill as we swapped all the white good to run at night.....


    Now over the last year I think it went up a tenner a month but compared toa 90 euro fill of diesel every week to 2 weeks it is huge savings.



    With our current requirements if I could get a large 7 seater full electric I would swap the diesel as well


    So even though the electric will cost me 2000 Euro more to buy, I should make this back in a short time, even with the cost of home charger install.

    Makes sense so. Just have this niggling thing at the back of my mind about the battery and range reducing year on year, things that don’t apply with an ICE car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    So even though the electric will cost me 2000 Euro more to buy, I should make this back in a short time, even with the cost of home charger install.

    Makes sense so. Just have this niggling thing at the back of my mind about the battery and range reducing year on year, things that don’t apply with an ICE car.


    People have over 100k km's on car and they maybe have lost a few percent of the battery.


    The battery degradation is overplayed by some people, of course it happens but it is very minimal.


    Especially i f you go with the 1.5 Gen Leaf. The v1 had some issues but most of those issues are in very warm or very cold climates. Neither of which will affect an Irish car.



    With a Leaf you can plug in ODB and take battery reading....so you will know what is gone.


    A fast charger is harder on the battery as well, so if you do all charging at home then it will also decrease the battery degradation....but again the odd fast charge will not make much difference, they have seen degradation on Leaf's in London when using as a taxi, so thye could get 3-4 fast charges everyday


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    Anyone else have a comment?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Anyone else have a comment?


    Post in the electric car forum if you want more information on the Leaf/electric cars


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,415 ✭✭✭.G.


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Granny cable will not make any difference

    If you install a home charge point you get the 32amp version which will allow you to take advantage of the 6.6kw port

    Majority of charging will be done at night and the faster charger won’t make any difference as it will be plugged in for 8 hours anyway


    Do you need to get an upgraded supply to your house for this? Most people would have an electric shower in their homes, the shower and this charger could cause problems if running at the same time on a standard 63a household connection. Stick the kettle on too and pop!


    Suppose with night charging its less of an issue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    .G. wrote: »
    Do you need to get an upgraded supply to your house for this? Most people would have an electric shower in their homes, the shower and this charger could cause problems if running at the same time on a standard 63a household connection. Stick the kettle on too and pop!


    Suppose with night charging its less of an issue.

    Some of the new chargers will auto kick back down if an electric shower is working

    In my house I just put in priority switch so it turns off power to charger while I have shower then puts it back on


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭tom_tarbucket


    Looks like a Leaf could be the car for me even with my niggling thoughts.

    What could I expect to pay for a gen 1.5 Acenta/SV spec with a 6.6 kw onboard charger?


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