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Ascendant · 01-05-2019, 23:44

Am eyeing the new book on the Irish Citizen Army, The ‘Labour Hercules’: The Irish Citizen Army and Irish Republicanism, 1913–23, by Jeffrey Leddin, anyone read it?

Muahahaha · 02-05-2019, 13:54

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Seán Ó Faoláin's King of the Beggars is an oldie but goldie.

Thanks Ascendant, will dig that out of the library

BalcombeSt4 · 25-06-2019, 23:35

Peter Taylors series of books on the Troubles (Provos 1997), (Loyalists 1997) & (Brits 1999.

Here's a small bit about the IRA's descion on bombing London in 1973.
Peter Taylor asks Billy mcKee who died a few weeks ago on the thought process behind taking the war to England.
"There had been a dicussion early on about bombing England. I thought we should wait until there was a crisis (in the IRA) before we should start. I agreed with the strategy but I didn't agree with bombing civilians, pubs that were full of people and so forth. I didn't condone that. Blowing up the Houses of Parliament wouldn't have made any difference to me but not ordinary civilians."

BalcombeSt4 · 02-07-2019, 14:11

Another interesting book I read latley was a about journalist stories from the North when the war was in full swing, say Ian woods would write 2-3,4 pages about an event he witnessed like Sean Grahams Bookmakers Massacre, Peter Taylor wrote about Bloody Sunday, Jim McDowell wrote about the murder of Martin O'Hagan, Sam Smyth wrote about a night spent visisting Loyalists clubs with drag Sammy Duddy & UDA Commander David Payne & so on,

BalcombeSt4 · 08-07-2019, 21:25

Ordered two books the other day.

Kieran Allen's -1916: Ireland's Revolutionary Tradition - which takes a Socialist view of the Irish revolutionary period. https://www.mayobooks.ie/1916-Irelan...radition-Allen
I really like this description of it.
"
The six days of intense fighting that followed set the course for the next 100 years of Irish history. Today, however, the radical vision of the Easter Rising sits awkwardly with an Irish state which has become a haven for big business.
Kieran Allen's fascinating alternative history follows the thread of Ireland's 'revolutionary tradition' - an uneasy marriage of socialism and republicanism- as it has unraveled over a century. From the strikes and land redistribution in the aftermath of the Rising, to the current campaigns against privatizations and austerity, the book reveals the complexities of a revolutionary tradition that continues to haunt the establishment today. "

And

Jim Cusack & Henry McDonald's - UDA: Inside The Heart of Loyalist Terror - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Uda-Inside-.../dp/1844880206
Which will then mean I have a book on all the 3 main paramilitaries of the war (the Provos & Sticks were guerrillas not paramilitaries and I have tons on the Provos & one on the Sticks.), the Red Hand Commando is covered in the "UVF: End Game" book and the IPLO is covered in "INLA:Deadly Divisions".

And while typing this I realized the main units are covered in books, UVF, UDA, INLA, IPLO, RHC, Dissidents, Glenanne Gang, IRA's South Armagh &, Derry & Belfast Brigade, English units, but no East Tyrone Brigade.

Would anyone like to help a book on the IRA's East Tyrone Brigade?

El Vino · 09-07-2019, 14:45

Can anyone recommend some good books on the struggle for Catholic Emancipation? My son is doing a project as part of his A level course work. It is taught very differently in the UK than I remember and he is keen to get a different perspective. Is it covered well in the Oxford Companion to Irish History for example or perhaps an objective biography of O'Connell if one exists?

BalcombeSt4 · 09-07-2019, 21:24

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Can anyone recommend some good books on the struggle for Catholic Emancipation? My son is doing a project as part of his A level course work. It is taught very differently in the UK than I remember and he is keen to get a different perspective. Is it covered well in the Oxford Companion to Irish History for example or perhaps an objective biography of O'Connell if one exists?

I used to have a O'Connell biography but gave it away, but the "The OXford Illustrated History of Ireland" does cover a good section of the book to Catholic Emancipation, starting with the origins of the Catholic Association, certainly worth a read.

**Manach** · 06-10-2019, 22:32

I'm finishing off the book, The King and the Catholics: England, Ireland, and the Fight for Religious Freedom, 1780-1829 by Antonia Fraser. She does an excellent of job of creating a context for the era in terms of the politics and personalities and shows the dynamism O'Connell in lobbying for the Repeal.

tabbey · 06-10-2019, 22:43

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I'm finishing off the book, The King and the Catholics: England, Ireland, and the Fight for Religious Freedom, 1780-1829 by Antonia Fraser.

She is a daughter of the previous Lord Longford, if I remember correctly.

**ancapailldorcha** · 16-11-2019, 16:33

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for pre-twentieth century Irish history. I don't mind about scope but there seems to be very little about the initial conquest of Ireland by the English, the plantations, 1641, 1798, etc. I have Robert Kee's Green Flag which I've not read but I'm really looking for something predating 1900.

dubhthach · 18-11-2019, 11:20

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Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for pre-twentieth century Irish history. I don't mind about scope but there seems to be very little about the initial conquest of Ireland by the English, the plantations, 1641, 1798, etc. I have Robert Kee's Green Flag which I've not read but I'm really looking for something predating 1900.

The Nine Years War, 1593-1603: O'Neill, Mountjoy and the Military Revolution
(James O'Neill back dates to 1593 having the actions against Maguire been part of proxy war been fought by Hugh O'Neill)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nine-Years-...s=books&sr=1-1

Gaelic and Gaelicized Ireland in the Middle Ages (2003 reprint/paperback -- kindle version very good value)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gaelic-Gael...s=books&sr=1-1

Early Christian Ireland (Paperback)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Early-Chris.../dp/0521037166

Chunks of which can be read on Google Books, Charles-Edwards deconstruction of origin of both Uí Néill and the Airgialla is a Tour-de-force.
https://books.google.ie/books?id=g6y...page&q&f=false

Medieval Ireland (Cambridge Medieval Textbooks)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Medieval-Ir...FZMM6PQA5FPVA3

Early Medieval Ireland 400-1200 (2nd Edition)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Medieval-Ir...XVHHNN0Y6HCF5F

The 'Mere Irish' and the Colonisation of Ulster, 1570-1641 (Cambridge Imperial and Post-Colonial Studies Series)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Colonisatio.../dp/3319593625

Google book preview mode: https://books.google.ie/books?id=iHg...page&q&f=false

The Roots of English Colonialism in Ireland (Critical Perspectives on Empire)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/English-Col...4075952&sr=8-1

Chunks can be read on Google books:
https://books.google.ie/books?id=L5I...page&q&f=false

**ancapailldorcha** · 18-11-2019, 19:16

Appreciate that, dubhthach. I'll have a look at some of those.

I was hoping to avoid textbooks but I'm sure they're fine.

**Manach** · 09-12-2019, 08:49

Going through a French course so getting some background info from the following:

Age of Napoleon by A. Horne - Some Short Corsican bloke
Metronome by L. Deustsch - Modern history of Paris
History of France - J Bainville - Overview of French history up till 1930s

**Captain Havoc** · 10-12-2019, 13:58

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Going through a French course so getting some background info from the following:

Age of Napoleon by A. Horne - Some Short Corsican bloke
Metronome by L. Deustsch - Modern history of Paris
History of France - J Bainville - Overview of French history up till 1930s

What French course are you doing?

**Manach** · 11-12-2019, 10:44

An Open University language course on French Language and Culture. So far, so good - it provides insights and a overview of various Francophone countries but I would recommend doing a Duolingo in parallel to get the full benefit of the language. Metronome is available in French as well as an English translation, so reading both is a good practical exercise.

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01-05-2019, 23:44	#226
Ascendant Registered User Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 196 Adverts \| Friends	Am eyeing the new book on the Irish Citizen Army, The ‘Labour Hercules’: The Irish Citizen Army and Irish Republicanism, 1913–23, by Jeffrey Leddin, anyone read it?

25-06-2019, 23:35	#228
BalcombeSt4 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 1,478 Adverts \| Friends	Peter Taylors series of books on the Troubles (Provos 1997), (Loyalists 1997) & (Brits 1999. Here's a small bit about the IRA's descion on bombing London in 1973. Peter Taylor asks Billy mcKee who died a few weeks ago on the thought process behind taking the war to England. "There had been a dicussion early on about bombing England. I thought we should wait until there was a crisis (in the IRA) before we should start. I agreed with the strategy but I didn't agree with bombing civilians, pubs that were full of people and so forth. I didn't condone that. Blowing up the Houses of Parliament wouldn't have made any difference to me but not ordinary civilians."

02-07-2019, 14:11	#229
BalcombeSt4 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 1,478 Adverts \| Friends	Another interesting book I read latley was a about journalist stories from the North when the war was in full swing, say Ian woods would write 2-3,4 pages about an event he witnessed like Sean Grahams Bookmakers Massacre, Peter Taylor wrote about Bloody Sunday, Jim McDowell wrote about the murder of Martin O'Hagan, Sam Smyth wrote about a night spent visisting Loyalists clubs with drag Sammy Duddy & UDA Commander David Payne & so on,

08-07-2019, 21:25	#230
BalcombeSt4 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 1,478 Adverts \| Friends	Ordered two books the other day. Kieran Allen's -1916: Ireland's Revolutionary Tradition - which takes a Socialist view of the Irish revolutionary period. https://www.mayobooks.ie/1916-Irelan...radition-Allen I really like this description of it. " The six days of intense fighting that followed set the course for the next 100 years of Irish history. Today, however, the radical vision of the Easter Rising sits awkwardly with an Irish state which has become a haven for big business. Kieran Allen's fascinating alternative history follows the thread of Ireland's 'revolutionary tradition' - an uneasy marriage of socialism and republicanism- as it has unraveled over a century. From the strikes and land redistribution in the aftermath of the Rising, to the current campaigns against privatizations and austerity, the book reveals the complexities of a revolutionary tradition that continues to haunt the establishment today. " And Jim Cusack & Henry McDonald's - UDA: Inside The Heart of Loyalist Terror - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Uda-Inside-.../dp/1844880206 Which will then mean I have a book on all the 3 main paramilitaries of the war (the Provos & Sticks were guerrillas not paramilitaries and I have tons on the Provos & one on the Sticks.), the Red Hand Commando is covered in the "UVF: End Game" book and the IPLO is covered in "INLA:Deadly Divisions". And while typing this I realized the main units are covered in books, UVF, UDA, INLA, IPLO, RHC, Dissidents, Glenanne Gang, IRA's South Armagh &, Derry & Belfast Brigade, English units, but no East Tyrone Brigade. Would anyone like to help a book on the IRA's East Tyrone Brigade?

09-07-2019, 14:45	#231
El Vino Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 217 Adverts \| Friends	Can anyone recommend some good books on the struggle for Catholic Emancipation? My son is doing a project as part of his A level course work. It is taught very differently in the UK than I remember and he is keen to get a different perspective. Is it covered well in the Oxford Companion to Irish History for example or perhaps an objective biography of O'Connell if one exists?

06-10-2019, 22:32	#233
Manach Moderator Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 8,804 Adverts \| Friends Mod: History & Heritage, Humanities, ZTest	I'm finishing off the book, The King and the Catholics: England, Ireland, and the Fight for Religious Freedom, 1780-1829 by Antonia Fraser. She does an excellent of job of creating a context for the era in terms of the politics and personalities and shows the dynamism O'Connell in lobbying for the Repeal.

16-11-2019, 16:33	#235
ancapailldorcha Order! Order! Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,768 Adverts \| Friends CMod: Politics, International Politics, After Hours, Social & Fun, Economics, The Gentlemen's Club, ZTest	Hi all, I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for pre-twentieth century Irish history. I don't mind about scope but there seems to be very little about the initial conquest of Ireland by the English, the plantations, 1641, 1798, etc. I have Robert Kee's Green Flag which I've not read but I'm really looking for something predating 1900.

18-11-2019, 19:16	#237
ancapailldorcha Order! Order! Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,768 Adverts \| Friends CMod: Politics, International Politics, After Hours, Social & Fun, Economics, The Gentlemen's Club, ZTest	Appreciate that, dubhthach. I'll have a look at some of those. I was hoping to avoid textbooks but I'm sure they're fine.

09-12-2019, 08:49	#238
Manach Moderator Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 8,804 Adverts \| Friends Mod: History & Heritage, Humanities, ZTest	Going through a French course so getting some background info from the following: Age of Napoleon by A. Horne - Some Short Corsican bloke Metronome by L. Deustsch - Modern history of Paris History of France - J Bainville - Overview of French history up till 1930s

11-12-2019, 10:44	#240
Manach Moderator Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 8,804 Adverts \| Friends Mod: History & Heritage, Humanities, ZTest	An Open University language course on French Language and Culture. So far, so good - it provides insights and a overview of various Francophone countries but I would recommend doing a Duolingo in parallel to get the full benefit of the language. Metronome is available in French as well as an English translation, so reading both is a good practical exercise.