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28-05-2020, 20:57   #16
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so which is it ,date of manufacture ,or date of first registration,
Seems first registration is safest. But evidence of first manufacture could work.

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also that rf 111 form does not have on a change to vintage tax on the form
That's what spurred this thread.

Tick "other" and put "vintage" in the box.
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Thats literally the question that the OP asked - you have to fill in the Other box on the form and state that the car should be on vintage tax.

Its date of manufacture - virtually every county council in the country states date on manufacture on their websites, the gov.ie says the car has to be 30 years of age. Nowhere mentions date of reg.
thanks for that , my 944 turbo turns 30 next year first reg date is aug 4th, all I have to do iis find manufacture date,cheers
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Howyiz!

So it's now that glorious time of 2020 where the Carina has turned 30, so it's time to get that sweet sweet €56.00 tax!

Looking at the RF111 do I fill in the "Other section" of PART 4?

https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/pdf/RF111_en.pdf
Right another one for ye.

Something that has bugged me is that the VIN for my car recorded on the book and on the motor tax file is just the last 8 digits of the VIN.

Can I record the full VIN on the form so that they can update the file and will they require a photo or something of the VIN on the car? Or is this gonna cause confusion and a load of problems in the land of Irish bureaucracy?
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Don't bother, It'll just confuse them.

I have a Volvo that when registered here, the NCTS took the (truncated) Engine no. from the V5C, even though I filled the paperwork out in full and pointed it out. All they said was if I wanted to fill out a form and have it stamped by a SIMI / qualified garage, blah, blah, blah. They aren't interested in keeping accurate records.

I did have other corrections done in the (very dim and distance) past, but at that time the Revenue themselves were dealing with the registration process.

I have another (UK) Volvo that got me a letter from the DVLA. Part of the MOT is that the tester captures the VIN/Chassis no. from the car and enter it into the computer system. As this was the long version (when registered in 1982, they just put the serial / last 8 digits or so down on the form), the mis-match caused the DVLA to send a letter with instructions on how to remedy the situation. Being a bit more helpful, it was just a case of filing out a form and returning it in the pre-paid envelope. They used to be rather lazy with capturing data for the vehicle register, but have got their act together in more recent times as they rely so heavily on ANPR, etc. that "nearly right" just doesn't cut it.
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Don't bother, It'll just confuse them.

I have a Volvo that when registered here, the NCTS took the (truncated) Engine no. from the V5C, even though I filled the paperwork out in full and pointed it out. All they said was if I wanted to fill out a form and have it stamped by a SIMI / qualified garage, blah, blah, blah. They aren't interested in keeping accurate records.

I did have other corrections done in the (very dim and distance) past, but at that time the Revenue themselves were dealing with the registration process.

I have another (UK) Volvo that got me a letter from the DVLA. Part of the MOT is that the tester captures the VIN/Chassis no. from the car and enter it into the computer system. As this was the long version (when registered in 1982, they just put the serial / last 8 digits or so down on the form), the mis-match caused the DVLA to send a letter with instructions on how to remedy the situation. Being a bit more helpful, it was just a case of filing out a form and returning it in the pre-paid envelope. They used to be rather lazy with capturing data for the vehicle register, but have got their act together in more recent times as they rely so heavily on ANPR, etc. that "nearly right" just doesn't cut it.
See, "nearly right" bothers me. It's down as a Carina and not Carina II as well, which is also annoying me.

Just give me a couple of months down in Shannon!

As an ex-Public Servant I'm well aware of the tendency for the dimmer COs, SOs and EOs to go a bit mad when something off-piste comes in.

I think when I change the class to vintage I might highlight it. might.

I'm an irritating c**t though, when it comes to administration stuff, so it will become too much to resist doing.
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See, "nearly right" bothers me.
It bothers me too, but the rigmarole in doing things to sort it out here beats me into submission.
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See, "nearly right" bothers me. It's down as a Carina and not Carina II as well, which is also annoying me.

Just give me a couple of months down in Shannon!

As an ex-Public Servant I'm well aware of the tendency for the dimmer COs, SOs and EOs to go a bit mad when something off-piste comes in.

I think when I change the class to vintage I might highlight it. might.

I'm an irritating c**t though, when it comes to administration stuff, so it will become too much to resist doing.
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It bothers me too, but the rigmarole in doing things to sort it out here beats me into submission.
You’d go mad with my classic’s documents then: Mercedes Other (it’s a 350SE, so a common enough model, not some weird US-only model / prototype or anything).

Others on here have reported that the their make and model is Unknown Other
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You’d go mad with my classic’s documents then: Mercedes Other (it’s a 350SE, so a common enough model, not some weird US-only model / prototype or anything).

Others on here have reported that the their make and model is Unknown Other
I got a rash reading that. Some of the machines I've looked up on Cartell give me the heebie geebies.
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Sorry to dig up this thread. I'm hoping to change my Nissan Skyline over to vintage tax in the next 18 months, but this thread has raised some questions.

It was first registered in November 1993. The logbook states the year of manufacture is 1993.
However I know from gtr-registry.com that the car was actually manufactured in December 1992.

So when I eventually apply for vintage tax using the RF1111 form, can I do that from 1st January 2023, or do I need to wait until November 2023?

I feel that I should be able to do it from 1st December 2022, but how do I provide proof of this, as its a Japanese Import?
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It's based on first registration unfortunately, so November 2023
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So when I eventually apply for vintage tax using the RF1111 form, can I do that from 1st January 2023, or do I need to wait until November 2023?

I feel that I should be able to do it from 1st December 2022, but how do I provide proof of this, as its a Japanese Import?
One of the lads on Backroads was able to find someone human to speak to at the tax centre and gave details on manufacture date and was able to switch over to vintage without anything 'official' from Mercedes. If you can get a copy of the data on the GTR register it would be worth a shot doing similar. I've always used an email printout from BMW with the manufacture date and posted it in, and that's sufficed. I'd be tempted to post in the forms first, with your GTR register printout, and if it does bounce back to you - just head to your local tax office and explain.

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It's based on first registration unfortunately, so November 2023
Nope - works off manufacture date.

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When is a Vehicle Classed As Vintage & Taxation of Vintage & Veteran Vehicle
A vehicle is classed as a vintage/veteran once its 30 years old from date of manufacture and a concessionary rate of motor tax applies – See List of Motor Tax Rates.
Appropriate fee -See List of Motor Tax Rates.
No NCT/CRW required for Vintage Vehicles
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If the vehicle owner does not have the appropriate registration documents clearly showing the date of manufacture and the Motor Tax office is unable to trace any details of same from the National Vehicle Computer system then the vehicle will have to be re-registered with NCT and get a new Registration No.

https://www.tipperarycoco.ie/motor-t...eteran-vehicle
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Some vintage/veteran classed classics need a cvrt test, as in the case of campers.
I just took this from the CVRT website


https://www.cvrt.ie/en/Certificate-o...Vehicles-.aspx

vintage vehicles first registered before 1 January 1980 which are being used solely for non-commercial purposes do not need roadworthiness testing
vehicles registered after 1 January 1980 but over 30 years old which are being used solely for non-commercial purposes must undergo compulsory roadworthiness testing every two years instead of annually.
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vehicles registered after 1 January 1980 but over 30 years old which are being used solely for non-commercial purposes must undergo compulsory roadworthiness testing every two years instead of annually.
And once they hit 40 years of age there's no NCT required at all. Concerns me slightly when I see some of the stuff thats driving around my around of that age.

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If your vehicle is aged between 30-39 years (based on the vehicle's date of first registration) and you are not using your vehicle for commercial purposes, it will have now have to undergo a roadworthiness test every two years instead of annually.
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Correct
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Nope - works off manufacture date.
You googled this and copied from the first result that showed up. Which is from the county council in Tipperary

If you don't mind I'll stick to the premise (until proven wrong) that it is based on the first date of registration (which is easily proven as all cars in this country have an official first date of registration) and not the date of manufacture, which is a far more vague concept, not in the last place because it happened in another jurisdiction as Ireland doesn't manufacture or hasn't manufactured a lot of cars. This forum's charger has said for many years that vintage tax is based on first date of registration. NCT is also based on first date of registration
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