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29-07-2020, 12:05   #31
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You googled this and copied from the first result that showed up. Which is from the county council in Tipperary

If you don't mind I'll stick to the premise (until proven wrong) that it is based on the first date of registration (which is easily proven as all cars in this country have an official first date of registration) and not the date of manufacture, which is a far more vague concept, not in the last place because it happened in another jurisdiction as Ireland doesn't manufacture or hasn't manufactured a lot of cars. This forum's charger has said for many years that vintage tax is based on first date of registration. NCT is also based on first date of registration
I'm not entirely sure what Googles ranking of results has to do with anything - especially since its almost 8 years since I first worked this out for myself and did it, but Tipp CoCo's website is an official council website. You do know its your local councils tax office who change the tax status? There are plenty of other council websites stating the exact same thing if you want to repeat your search and work your way down. I agree that the legislation could be clearer (just states 30 years of age) but since the councils interpret that as 30 years since date of manufacture, that's really the end of it (mine went through Fingal FWIW). Probably wasn't such an issue a few decades back when cars were long dead before their 30th anniversary.

And are you seriously saying date of manufacture is a more vague concept than date of registration? A car can be re-registered in various jurisdictions, it can only be manufactured once. My CRX has a first registration date of 1996 on the V5, will have a first date in Ireland of 2020 - but its a 1989 car. Its literally impossible to provide the first date of registration in Japan - so not exactly as 'easy to prove' as you say. Anyway, I've actually done it - multiple times - I've phoned the tax office to discuss it when I had queries on it. And I know plenty of others who have done the exact same.

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Well credit and acknowledgement to the nice lady in the local motor tax office.
This car has a 1990 plate, came from the UK to Ireland in 1996, and the VLC shows the first reg date as 10/09/1990.
But I'd established it's exact build date as being in May of 1990 using a few VIN lookup tools which all returned the same date.

But none of that needed to even be mentioned. The boss man simply phoned the motor tax office to enquire about switching the car to vintage tax, the nice lady who took the call sent out the necessary forms and they were swiftly sent back fully completed. 4 working days later the new tax disc arrived and the vehicle is now officially registered as vintage.
No need for any VIN reports or to approach Mercedes for a letter.

Always nice to have a positive and hassle free experience with a govt or council dept.
If you, or anyone else, would rather not apply based on manufacturing date then that's up to you. If I had a car on €1800 a year road tax and could switch to around €50 quid a year I'd want to be doing it as soon as possible - especially when the cost of doing so is next to zero (I can't remember what a stamp costs?)
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29-07-2020, 13:18   #32
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Thanks all. It's at least worth a try to get the printouts from GTR registry and any other VIN look up sites I can find, and send this off with the RF111 form when the time comes. Worst case scenario, I have to wait another year.
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29-07-2020, 16:42   #33
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If you, or anyone else, would rather not apply based on manufacturing date then that's up to you. If I had a car on €1800 a year road tax and could switch to around €50 quid a year I'd want to be doing it as soon as possible - especially when the cost of doing so is next to zero (I can't remember what a stamp costs?)
Of course. And I would be the first to print out that Tipperary county council website's statement if it was my car and chance my arm

Ireland is probably the only EU country left where one can easily "convince" government officials of one's version of the truth
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Of course. And I would be the first to print out that Tipperary county council website's statement if it was my car and chance my arm

Ireland is probably the only EU country left where one can easily "convince" government officials of one's version of the truth

Yes, totally chancing ones arm - perhaps if the Tipp Coco site is down you could print it from Wicklow CoCo's site
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Vintage & Veteran Vehicles
A vehicle is classed as a vintage/veteran once it is 30 years old from the date of manufacture.
... or Monaghans
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Vintage Classification:
Any vehicle body type 30 years old from date of manufacture qualifies as vintage on which a concessionary rate of motor tax can apply.
...or Louths
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Taxation of Vintage & Veteran Vehicle
A vehicle is classed as a vintage/veteran once its 30 years old from date of manufacture and a concessionary rate of motor tax applies.
...or maybe Sligo
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A vehicle is classed as a vintage/veteran once it is 30 years old from date of manufacture and a concessionary rate of motor tax then applies
...Galways would probably work too -
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VINTAGE / VETERAN VEHICLES:

A vehicle is classed as vintage / veteran once it is 30 years old from the year of manufacture.
Then if they get arsey and point out that the VRT35 form states date of registration for ZV plates, you could go for the ultimate 'chancing your arm' approach and direct them to the actual section from SI 357-1991 which allows for ZV plates on cars from 30 years of age (manufacturing) and which doesn't mention registration date at all.

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(ii) the applicant for a licence satisfies the licensing authority that the vehicle was constructed more than 30 years prior to the commencement of the period in respect of which the licence is sought,
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thanks for that , my 944 turbo turns 30 next year first reg date is aug 4th, all I have to do iis find manufacture date,cheers
So ve got a certificate of authenticity from porsche,It says model year is 1990,Production completion date is 4/5/90. so hopefully ican change to vintage now ,so i just send photo copy of this cert plus registration document to dublin city counil office tomorrow ,Is there any fee for this lads cheers.
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So ve got a certificate of authenticity from porsche,It says model year is 1990,Production completion date is 4/5/90. so hopefully ican change to vintage now ,so i just send photo copy of this cert plus registration document to dublin city counil office tomorrow ,Is there any fee for this lads cheers.
No fee outside of the €56.00 you're gonna pay to them for the annual chape tax.
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I’m in a bit of a pickle, my cars date of manufacture is January 1991, so in the new year I’d like to have it switched to vintage.
I have a certificate of authenticity from Volkswagen stating the date of manufacture.

My issue is I can’t for the life of me find the cars logbook, I’ve been searching for ages and can’t find it. I know it’s in the house somewhere as I would never throw it out.

Is there anyway I can change the tax class without the logbook?
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I doubt it very much. I can't see how they'd issue it vintage tax rates without it. You have until Janurary to find it, so you've got a bit of time, but if it comes to it, you may have to apply for a new book.
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I’m in a bit of a pickle, my cars date of manufacture is January 1991, so in the new year I’d like to have it switched to vintage.
I have a certificate of authenticity from Volkswagen stating the date of manufacture.

My issue is I can’t for the life of me find the cars logbook, I’ve been searching for ages and can’t find it. I know it’s in the house somewhere as I would never throw it out.

Is there anyway I can change the tax class without the logbook?
Just apply for a duplicate log book Its 12 euro i think when you receive it then send it on with rf 111 form and certificate of authenticity Good luck
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Can anyone actually recommend a few decent VIN lookup services actually tha spit out decent detail? And has anyone ever gotten a non-exotic build sheet from say Toyota, Nissan etc?
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So I was about to renew my cars tax when I realized its just hit 30. It was due to be taxed last month. So do I fill out section four and fill out the payment section. Or just fill out section 4 and wait for the new details to be sent to me?
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So I was about to renew my cars tax when I realized its just hit 30. It was due to be taxed last month. So do I fill out section four and fill out the payment section. Or just fill out section 4 and wait for the new details to be sent to me?
I filled out section 4, and the payment section. Got a phone call from the tax office letting me know that the tax would be from the beginning of the month, so I would "loose" 2 weeks or so of tax, (as it was the middle of the month when it had it's 30th birthday) but once returned to me I could drive it straight away. I'd imagine if you didn't fill out the payment section, it would get reclassed as vintage, as normal, but it would just not be taxed. You would have to do that part seperate when you get the tax book back.

I included a covering note asking to return the brown log book, but talking the the person on the phone, it wasn't necessary.
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Ditto, fill out the payment section. I just did my Fastback about a month ago, and it was still on the normal tax rate on the system.

So like you I filled out section 4 and payment details, and change of colour too. They sent me a disc with the wrong colour,
which i sent back and flagged up. Got it the following week.
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Did they make Fastbacks into the 1990's or was it an older one that saw the road for the first time in a while?
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Did they make Fastbacks into the 1990's or was it an older one that saw the road for the first time in a while?
It was an older one 1972, that had been off the road for years, and it was still on the system as full rate of tax, despite being nearly 50 years old. It was never taxed as vintage up until a few weeks ago. Long, long story.
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