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Rachel Allen’s son arrested for €30,000 drugs seizure

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  • #1442
    corks finest
    Registered Users Posts: 8,628 ✭✭✭corks finest


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Freedom means nothing left to lose.

    Kris says


  • #1443
    corks finest
    Registered Users Posts: 8,628 ✭✭✭corks finest


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Freedom means nothing left to lose.

    Kris was right


  • #1444
    shafty100
    Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭shafty100


    did i read correctly that he is out of jail on a conditional temporary release


  • #1445
    Muscles Schultz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 302 ✭✭Muscles Schultz


    shafty100 wrote: »
    did i read correctly that he is out of jail on a conditional temporary release

    Depends what you read. Not sure how we are supposed to assess your eyesight ?


  • #1446
    shafty100
    Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭shafty100


    there was no source to the article and not in the mainstream media at present so im just wondering


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  • #1447
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,015 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    shafty100 wrote: »
    there was no source to the article and not in the mainstream media at present so im just wondering

    A quick google says he's on temporary release.

    While I had the energy to perform said Google, I can't be arsed posting links. People know where to find them if they're curious.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #1448
    shafty100
    Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭shafty100


    how convenient for him , typical outcome in priviledged ireland


  • #1449
    rob316
    Registered Users Posts: 17,947 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Hope he is released, you shouldn't be locking up a kid who bought a bit of weed with hardened criminals


  • #1450
    shafty100
    Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭shafty100


    agreed , but to be convicted on an offence that alledgedy carries a mandatory 10 year sentence unless mitigating circumstances prevail legally , wtf


  • #1451
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    shafty100 wrote: »
    agreed , but to be convicted on an offence that alledgedy carries a mandatory 10 year sentence unless mitigating circumstances prevail legally , wtf

    He probably sang like a canary to beat the 10 year sentence. He was a good boy.


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  • #1452
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    rob316 wrote: »
    Hope he is released, you shouldn't be locking up a kid who bought a bit of weed with hardened criminals

    It wasnt a bit and it wasnt his first time and he had many warning to cease and desist.


  • #1453
    Odelay
    Registered Users Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭Odelay


    Caught with €30k worth of drugs 18 months ago and now back out on the streets? Christ this is not what I meant when I wished for a swift justice system.


  • #1454
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,947 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Well you have people who got handed life sentences for murder out in about 10 years, so a kid who dappled a little bit in the hash is hardly going to get years and years.


  • #1455
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He's served 4 to 6 months?
    It's the experience of that and not the duration that might wake him up. Unless he fancies himself as the real deal now :pac:


  • #1456
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    markodaly wrote: »
    Well you have people who got handed life sentences for murder out in about 10 years, so a kid who dappled a little bit in the hash is hardly going to get years and years.

    Its very hard to prove murder, there is usually a deal done for manslaughter.
    That is about 7 years.
    Murders usually take only one life, drug dealers take and devastate many lives over time. The rewards for drugs now greatly outweigh the risk and punishment for being caught, in fact I would say it out weighs a gamble on the stock market.


  • #1457
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,947 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Its very hard to prove murder, there is usually a deal done for manslaughter.
    That is about 7 years.
    Murders usually take only one life, drug dealers take and devastate many lives over time. The rewards for drugs now greatly outweigh the risk and punishment for being caught, in fact I would say it out weighs a gamble on the stock market.

    I am talking about people who are actually convicted of murder, not manslaughter. The sentences for manslaughter are even worse, guys walking out of the joint after a few years even though they beat someone to death.

    You would swear this guy is El Chapo or Escobar the way you are going on. Dealing cannabis is a nonviolent crime, up there with not paying the TV license.

    It will be legal in the next decade I reckon and we will be scratching our heads wondering why we locked people up for this 'crime'.


  • #1458
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    markodaly wrote: »
    I am talking about people who are actually convicted of murder, not manslaughter. The sentences for manslaughter are even worse, guys walking out of the joint after a few years even though they beat someone to death.

    You would swear this guy is El Chapo or Escobar the way you are going on. Dealing cannabis is a nonviolent crime, up there with not paying the TV license.

    It will be legal in the next decade I reckon and we will be scratching our heads wondering why we locked people up for this 'crime'.

    He knew well what he was doing. Cannabis is illegal because it is addictive and either brings other mental health problems to the surface or makes them worse. At best it steals time and life.

    Great next decade we can legalise cannabis and then tax it to pay for the rise in mental health problems.


  • #1459
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,947 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    He knew well what he was doing. Cannabis is illegal because it is addictive and either brings other mental health problems to the surface or makes them worse.

    There has been no conclusive proof that it is. Certainly not on the level of alcohol, tobacco or other pharmaceutical drugs.
    At best it steals time and life.

    Like alcohol then.


  • #1460
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    markodaly wrote: »
    There has been no conclusive proof that it is. Certainly not on the level of alcohol, tobacco or other pharmaceutical drugs.



    Like alcohol then.

    You keep telling yourself that....Cannabis is not addictive, cannabis is not a gateway drug, cannabis doesn't make you go soft in the head.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(49)92263-1/fulltext

    Alcohol does that too. I have seen the destructive side of alcohol too and it not pretty.


  • #1461
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,947 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    You keep telling yourself that....Cannabis is not addictive, cannabis is not a gateway drug, cannabis doesn't make you go soft in the head.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(49)92263-1/fulltext

    Alcohol does that too. I have seen the destructive side of alcohol too and it not pretty.

    So the question is, why is one legal when the other is illegal and the legal drug is far far more destructive in society.


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  • #1462
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    markodaly wrote: »
    So the question is, why is one legal when the other is illegal and the legal drug is far far more destructive in society.

    Y'see I am not a lawyer, I just know enough law to keep me away from being a person of interest to the police. The question of the Alcohol is a debate for another thread. If it makes any difference I want to give every junkie on the street a kick, you had so much in life to choose from and you chose this?

    Your question about problems with alcohol is something I recognise but I am not getting into that.


  • #1463
    Fleetwoodmac
    Registered Users Posts: 263 ✭✭Fleetwoodmac


    markodaly wrote: »
    There has been no conclusive proof that it is. Certainly not on the level of alcohol, tobacco or other pharmaceutical drugs.



    Like alcohol then.
    No one can dispute the damage alcohol has caused and the overt inconsistencies in allowing prescribed pharmaceuticals and alcohol, despite the known damages these cause physically and socially but minimising the dangers or indeed ignoring them is naive. Yes, it should be properly regulated. But the harm it can cause, particularly on the developing teenage brain in terms of neural functioning and long term structural damage is well documented.
    I see alot of people advocating cannabis oil for example in the treatment of cancer, with little knowledge that taking certain strains, especially with a hormonally driven cancer ( e.g. breast canncers/ovarian cancers) can be like pouring petrol on a raging fire. There is a reason why universities have established degrees to study it's complexities. One size does not fit all, unless you grow it yourself you never know what you are getting.
    This teenager who has had every apparent privilege given to him is a case in point. Would he have started dealing if he didn't initially start consuming cannabis? It's unlikely.


  • #1464
    bocaman
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭bocaman


    Poor little rich kid gets out of jail


  • #1465
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,947 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Y'see I am not a lawyer

    Truest thing you said all day.

    The question of the Alcohol is a debate for another thread.

    You mean, you know I am right, but you refuse to acknowledge it?
    If it makes any difference I want to give every junkie on the street a kick, you had so much in life to choose from and you chose this?

    This tells us all what we need to know about you.


  • #1466
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    markodaly wrote: »
    Truest thing you said all day.




    You mean, you know I am right, but you refuse to acknowledge it?



    This tells us all what we need to know about you.

    Yeah but I am not the one with a criminal record, that dopey young fella with more Euros than IQ is.
    No, it means if you want to start a thread about the evils of Alcohol go ahead.
    I live in a different world to you and I cant save everyone. I can only do my best for me. This dope was too molly coddled and got everything and he has blown his whole future and looks like the future Ballymaloe wont see a 5th generation. I went to Ballymaloe for my sisters wedding and would have loved to have gone there for my own because it appeared wholesome and authentic, now I just see a house of hypocrisy. The brand and what it stands for is now ruined because of poor leadership and indulgent parenting.


  • #1467
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    markodaly wrote: »
    This tells us all what we need to know about you.

    Actually you know nothing about me. I have spent 6 months working with the homeless when the homeless problem was in its infancy. I came in every Sunday morning and cooked breakfast and lunch.

    You dont know my background, although you think you do. When I went to college I had healthy choices for my hobbies, I saw guys far smarted than me piss away their education and smoked their way into failed exams and drop outs. I am far from a wealthy background.


  • #1468
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,015 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Actually you know nothing about me. I have spent 6 months working with the homeless when the homeless problem was in its infancy. I came in every Sunday morning and cooked breakfast and lunch.

    You dont know my background, although you think you do. When I went to college I had healthy choices for my hobbies, I saw guys far smarted than me piss away their education and smoked their way into failed exams and drop outs. I am far from a wealthy background.

    What I know about you is that you posted that a drug was "illegal because it is addictive" but refused to comment on the lack of consistency between other drugs which are addictive but NOT illegal.

    There is NO Connection between the addictiveness and legality of ingested substances.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #1469
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    What I know about you is that you posted that a drug was "illegal because it is addictive" but refused to comment on the lack of consistency between other drugs which are addictive but NOT illegal.

    There is NO Connection between the addictiveness and legality of ingested substances.

    Ok but that still wont change young Joshuas record. The fact is that he knew what he was doing was illegal and that the Allens are using the law and media "morally absolve themselves again". Isnt that the real issue?


  • #1470
    Tomaldo
    Registered Users Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    The Beatles and Rolling Stones took cannabis and they did ok. Canada legalized it in 2018, has law and order broke down there. I don't know this guy or his family but I do have sympathy for him.


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  • #1471
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Tomaldo wrote: »
    Canada legalized it in 2018, has law and order broke down there. I don't know this guy or his family but I do have sympathy for him.

    Cannabis is a gateway drug and people go soft in the head over time, so effects are not immediately seen.

    You should really spend more time into looking what fantastic cottage industry that was started by Myrtle Allen and Darina really made it flourish and now how the brand has been run into the ground with controversy.

    The "I was young and impressionable and lead by the big boys" story is running with anyone, least of all the Judge.


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