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    #3002
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    I don't believe you. I've read enough of your posts to know that everything you post is scarily detached from reality.

    Prove it.




    Dr John Walker Smith carried out the tests and was cleared of any wrong doing. I keep having to repeat my self.

    If want to accuse anyone of "abuse" then it would be Dr John Walker Smith.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/mmr-doctor-john-walker-smith-wins-high-court-appeal-7543114.html


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    #3003
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,152 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Dr John Walker Smith carried out the tests and was cleared of any wrong doing. I keep having to repeat my self.

    If want to accuse anyone of "abuse" then it would be Dr John Walker Smith.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/mmr-doctor-john-walker-smith-wins-high-court-appeal-7543114.html

    You're moving the goalposts again. Prove Wakefield didn't do the tests please.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3004
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,695 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    He proves hes liar beyond any doubt.


    So you have to question everything else he says.


    Also what gives him the right to "diagnose" a child's bowel condition when hes not Doctor ?
    reposting 10 year old opinion pieces is not proof of anything other than at one stage someone had an opinion.

    And science and medicine evolves because hard evidence trumps opinion every time.



    reposting 10 year old opinion pieces that end up saying there will be an answer soon, but failing to follow up on that, is IMHO most definitely not proof of anything other than timewasting


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    #3005
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,446 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Did you even watch the video ? Now your making a fool of you self.

    At 10:50 Deer "says that is not bowel disease its... diarrhea".

    Dear is not qualified to say what condition the child has by looking at an xray.




    Anyone could watch the video and see that Deer is lying.

    P1: This is bowel disease
    Deer: No its not, thats an Xray
    P1: That is an impacted bowel
    Deer: Oh, an impacted bowel, so thats not bowel disease, its constipation
    P2: Thats what they want you to think
    P1: Thats the diagnosis, bowel disease
    Deer: Whose Diagnosis
    P1: Inaudible
    Deer: That is not bowel disease, its diarrhea

    No one could diagnose from an xray, you can use it as indicative with a range of other tests and symptoms from the presenting patient. What you see here is someone asked for an opinion, which he shouldn't have given, on the side of the street.

    Brian Deer is not a doctor or a consultant, he is a journalist, FFS, your making less and less sense by the minute

    He doesn't diagnose anything, he clearly states its an x ray, then acknowledges its an impacted bowel when told so, then asks for who gave the diagnosis when the person contradicts themselves, then gets fed up and calls it diarrhea and walks off.

    You really are grasping at straws.


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    #3006
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    He proves hes liar beyond any doubt.


    So you have to question everything else he says.


    Also what gives him the right to "diagnose" a child's bowel condition when hes not Doctor ?

    The same way you won't provide any proof of your nonsense claims the woman he's speaking won't answer him whatsoever. She first says it's an impacted bowel then insists it's bowel disease. Then multiple times refuses to say who diagnosed it as bowel disease. Deer laughs at her - in a similar manner to the way I laugh at you.


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    #3007
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    You're moving the goalposts again. Prove Wakefield didn't do the tests please.




    Wakefield was never accused of carrying out those tests.


    But maybe you can prove he carried out the tests ?


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    #3008
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,152 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Wakefield was never accused of carrying out those tests.


    But maybe you can prove he carried out the tests ?

    Why should I research your argument for you?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3009
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Why should I research your argument for you?




    Because your making a claim you cant back up.


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    #3010
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    Orion wrote: »
    Not just the majority of people. All scientific evidence says they save lives and are safe.




    Just like the swine flu vaccine was "safe".


    Saying that all Vaccines are "safe" is like saying that all pharmaceutical drugs are safe once they licensed.


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    #3011
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,152 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Because your making a claim you cant back up.

    You said Wakefield didn't do the tests. I'm just waiting for some proof of that.

    To be honest, even if he didn't it makes no difference. An honest doctor would have spotted such glaring flaws in the experiment's design and wouldn't have subjected those poor children to such horrific abuse.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3012
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    You said Wakefield didn't do the tests. I'm just waiting for some proof of that.

    To be honest, even if he didn't it makes no difference. An honest doctor would have spotted such glaring flaws in the experiment's design and wouldn't have subjected those poor children to such horrific abuse.




    Dr John Walker Smith carried out the tests that is not even in dispute.


    You seem to know very little about the case.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-17283751


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    #3013
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,152 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Dr John Walker Smith carried out the tests that is not even in dispute.


    You seem to know very little about the case.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-17283751

    The irony.

    The link doesn't say Wakefield didn't do the tests. Did you even read it?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3014
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    The irony.

    The link doesn't say Wakefield didn't do the tests. Did you even read it?




    Nobody claimed Wakefield did the tests apart from you.


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    #3015
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,152 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Here's a link to the original paper. The Lancet very scrupulously remind the reader repeatedly that it is retracted by printing the word "RETRACTED" on each page.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673697110960/fulltext

    Wakefield is first author. First authorship usually goes to whomever did the work or had the greatest input.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3016
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Here's a link to the original paper. The Lancet very scrupulously remind the reader repeatedly that it is retracted by printing the word "RETRACTED" on each page.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673697110960/fulltext

    Wakefield is first author. First authorship usually goes to whomever did the work or had the greatest input.




    That does not prove Wakefield carried the tests like you are claiming.


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    #3017
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,152 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    That does not prove Wakefield carried the tests like you are claiming.

    Read the post again.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3018
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Read the post again.


    Where does it say Wakefield carried out the tests ?


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    #3019
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,152 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Where does it say Wakefield carried out the tests ?

    I never said Wakefield carried out the tests. I asked you to prove that he didn't.

    In any case, it's quite clear that the study was his brainchild so whether he did the physical work is irrelevant. He designed the study.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3020
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    This is farcical at this stage.


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    #3021
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    This is farcical at this stage.

    That's the point. Dragging the debate into farcical and obtuse technicalities is the hallmark of those who don't have any reasonable arguments left


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    #3022
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,152 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    This is farcical at this stage.

    I don't think it is. I think it's an attempt at spreading disinformation. People asking for sources aren't going to change their minds based on conspiracy videos but anyone else might and those are the people being targeted by this sort of thing.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3023
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    I never said Wakefield carried out the tests. I asked you to prove that he didn't.

    In any case, it's quite clear that the study was his brainchild so whether he did the physical work is irrelevant. He designed the study.


    So now you have moved the goalposts and admitted Wakefield didn't carry out the tests.


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    #3024
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,152 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    So now you have moved the goalposts and admitted Wakefield didn't carry out the tests.

    I clearly admitted my mistake. That's not moving the goalposts. That's how evidence is supposed to work and my point still holds. Wakefield made sure that those kids would suffer for his own bottom line.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3025
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    I clearly admitted my mistake. That's not moving the goalposts.

    Now, kindly provide a source for any of your claims please.




    Yet you accuse me of spreading false information.

    Will you now admit Wakefield did not carry out "child abuse" ?


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    #3026
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,152 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Yet you accuse me of spreading false information.

    You have. I made a mistake. I genuinely thought Wakefield personally did the work. Being first author usually indicates that. I've written a few papers myself and this is convention.

    You, on the other hand have persisted in dumping conspiracy videos and links to crank blogs. You can't even be bothered to create original arguments in favor of this perverse ideology you insist on trying to propagate.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3027
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,109 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Yet you accuse me of spreading false information.

    Will you now admit Wakefield did not carry out "child abuse" ?

    Who commissioned the tests?

    That person is responsible for them, too. More so than the people in a lab conducting the tests.


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    #3028
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    You have. I made a mistake. I genuinely thought Wakefield personally did the work. Being first author usually indicates that. I've written a few papers myself and this is convention.

    You, on the other hand have persisted in dumping conspiracy videos and links to crank blogs. You can't even be bothered to create original arguments in favor of this perverse ideology you insist on trying to propagate.




    Accusing somebody of carrying out "child abuse" with no evidence is some mistake.


    You need to stop believing what you read in the fake media.


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    #3029
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dr Brown wrote: »

    You need to stop believing what you read in the fake media.

    Haaaa


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    #3030
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,152 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    Accusing somebody of carrying out "child abuse" with no evidence is some mistake.


    You need to stop believing what you read in the fake media.

    I stand by that. Wakefield withheld his patent while applying for ethical approval and funding. He abused those kids for profit.

    I don't think you even read the fake media you regularly promote to be honest.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3031
    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    I stand by that. Wakefield withheld his patent while applying for ethical approval and funding. He abused those kids for profit.

    I don't think you even read the fake media you regularly promote to be honest.




    Yet the person who carried out the "abuse" was completely cleared of any wrong doing.


    How do you explain that ?


    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-17283751


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