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Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

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  • #62
    vicwatson
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    January wrote: »
    Why would the spokesperson say they both refuelled when they didn't

    Do we know that for CERTAIN yet?


  • #63
    The_Wanderer
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    January wrote: »
    Why would the spokesperson say they both refuelled when they didn't

    I'm sure in situations like this, a lot of information is being passed about and some of it may be in error. Once its out there with the mainstream media its hard to correct it.

    My thoughts concerned to the missing crew.


  • #64
    knucklehead6
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    ironclaw wrote: »
    If it was the guy on Morning Ireland, he was hopeless. He said it was a Scottish trawler, when it was Russian according to the Coast Guy statement. He wasn't prepared and seemed to just make it up as he went along. He shouldn't have been talking on national radio as he appeared to be a local lad who got the call and wanted a big day out.

    Why didn't the Coast Guard have a rep? That seems odd to me for such a major incident, especially as we are ~6 hrs in.


    Eugene Clonan was the guy on Newstalk, probably the same lad on Morning Ireland. He's the coast guard director. And quite possibly knows the crew personally. He sounds more devastated than 'wanting a big day out'.


  • #65
    Gaoth Laidir
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    ironclaw wrote: »
    If it was the guy on Morning Ireland, he was hopeless. He said it was a Scottish trawler, when it was Russian according to the Coast Guy statement. He wasn't prepared and seemed to just make it up as he went along. He shouldn't have been talking on national radio as he appeared to be a local lad who got the call and wanted a big day out.

    Why didn't the Coast Guard have a rep? That seems odd to me for such a major incident, especially as we are ~6 hrs in.

    That's absolute nonsense. He answered as best he could. Cathal kept asking him questions that he'd already answered.


  • #66
    knucklehead6
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    ironclaw wrote: »
    If it was the guy on Morning Ireland, he was hopeless. He said it was a Scottish trawler, when it was Russian according to the Coast Guy statement. He wasn't prepared and seemed to just make it up as he went along. He shouldn't have been talking on national radio as he appeared to be a local lad who got the call and wanted a big day out.

    Why didn't the Coast Guard have a rep? That seems odd to me for such a major incident, especially as we are ~6 hrs in.
    knucklehead6 wrote: »
    Eugene Clonan was the guy on Newstalk, probably the same lad on Morning Ireland. He's the coast guard director. And quite possibly knows the crew personally. He sounds more devastated than 'wanting a big day out'.

    Remember, up until October the Coast Guard had never lost one of their own while on a mission. Now they've possibly lost 3 (maybe 4) in one incident.

    And this in a week where they buried one of their own who died after illness.


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  • #67
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    ironclaw wrote: »
    If it was the guy on Morning Ireland, he was hopeless. He said it was a Scottish trawler, when it was Russian according to the Coast Guy statement. He wasn't prepared and seemed to just make it up as he went along. He shouldn't have been talking on national radio as he appeared to be a local lad who got the call and wanted a big day out.

    Why didn't the Coast Guard have a rep? That seems odd to me for such a major incident, especially as we are ~6 hrs in.

    He's the acting director of the coastguard at the DoT. I think that people should give him a break in the circumstances tbh.


  • #68
    ironclaw
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    knucklehead6 wrote: »
    Eugene Clonan was the guy on Newstalk, probably the same lad on Morning Ireland. He's the coast guard director. And quite possibly knows the crew personally. He sounds more devastated than 'wanting a big day out'.

    The guy on RTE was Fergus Sweeney to the best of my recollection. I have nothing but respect for the Coast Guard and was in close proximity to the Tramore incident a few years back, hence my interest.
    That's absolute nonsense. He answered as best he could. Cathal kept asking him questions that he'd already answered.

    I'd respectfully disagree. He answered the questions he wanted to be or thought had been asked, had little technical information and on the whole, wasn't the person RTE should have interviewed in my opinion. And its just that, an opinion.

    I don't want to drag the thread, lets get on topic and hope for the best outcome here :)


  • #69
    Minister
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    Gaoth Laidir wrote: »
    That's absolute nonsense. He answered as best he could. Cathal kept asking him questions that he'd already answered.
    You're right. He did his best under the circumstances whilst sounding very upset for his colleagues.


  • #70
    PukkaStukka
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    ironclaw wrote: »
    If it was the guy on Morning Ireland, he was hopeless. He said it was a Scottish trawler, when it was Russian according to the Coast Guy statement. He wasn't prepared and seemed to just make it up as he went along. He shouldn't have been talking on national radio as he appeared to be a local lad who got the call and wanted a big day out.

    Why didn't the Coast Guard have a rep? That seems odd to me for such a major incident, especially as we are ~6 hrs in.

    To me, the man almost sounded emotional and he may personally know some of the people involved. These guys are rescuers, not PR gurus.


  • #71
    Duke O Smiley
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    Sorry if I am a bit behind here - just hearing this now.

    Can't find anything on any radio playbacks but RTE have a clip on twitter of an interview where the speaker says the rescue mission is successful. Is the rescued person also missing at this stage?


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  • #72
    lazybones32
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    Donal55 wrote: »
    And the same litany 'we dont hold out much hope'.

    Very inconsiderate considering families of crewmen probably listening to radio for updates etc.
    If the men were in the water for 5 hours, even with life-jackets and protective gear etc; it doesn't look good. When "critical condition" is used for someone pulled from the water, it often means they've retrieved the body and are starting resuscitation - which they will continue for 40mins to 1 hr...but it could be too late.


  • #73
    CaptainR
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    Duke O Smiley wrote: »
    Sorry if I am a bit behind here - just hearing this now.

    Can't find anything on any radio playbacks but RTE have a clip on twitter of an interview where the speaker says the rescue mission is successful. Is the rescued person also missing at this stage?

    The fisherman made it back on the helicopter that didn't go down. The one that went down was providing top cover.


  • #74
    sjb25
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    Duke O Smiley wrote: »
    Sorry if I am a bit behind here - just hearing this now.

    Can't find anything on any radio playbacks but RTE have a clip on twitter of an interview where the speaker says the rescue mission is successful. Is the rescued person also missing at this stage?

    No two helicopters attended the incident one rescued the patient the helicopter that had crashed was providing top cover


  • #75
    ironclaw
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    Minister wrote: »
    You're right. He did his best under the circumstances whilst sounding very upset for his colleagues.
    PukkaStukka wrote: »
    To me, the man almost sounded emotional and he may personally know some of the people involved. These guys are rescuers, not PR gurus.

    I think we are discussing two different interviews. I'm referring to a journalist @ around 7:20 / 7:30am on RTE 1 Morning Ireland only. Again, I have nothing but respect for these guys and have spent time with CHC in the past.


  • #76
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    Duke O Smiley wrote: »
    Sorry if I am a bit behind here - just hearing this now.

    Can't find anything on any radio playbacks but RTE have a clip on twitter of an interview where the speaker says the rescue mission is successful. Is the rescued person also missing at this stage?

    The medvac casualty and the crew are safe. Rescue 116 and its three crew who were providing top-cover are missing.


  • #77
    Masala
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    ironclaw wrote: »
    If it was the guy on Morning Ireland, he was hopeless. He said it was a Scottish trawler, when it was Russian according to the Coast Guy statement. He wasn't prepared and seemed to just make it up as he went along. He shouldn't have been talking on national radio as he appeared to be a local lad who got the call and wanted a big day out.

    Why didn't the Coast Guard have a rep? That seems odd to me for such a major incident, especially as we are ~6 hrs in.

    That's unfair I feel. The priority is the rescue of 116.... It is not possible to sit everyone down and get all the facts lined up.


  • #78
    jones 19
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    Very unprofessional by the head of the coast guard on Newstalk earlier .


  • #79
    arubex
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    knucklehead6 wrote: »
    Remember, up until October the Coast Guard had never lost one of their own while on a mission. Now they've possibly lost 3 (maybe 4) in one incident.

    The heli crews are CHC personnel, not Coastguard.


  • #80
    Green Peter
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    I'm sickened, my thoughts and prayers are with the families and colleagues


  • #81
    knucklehead6
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    arubex wrote: »
    The heli crews are CHC personnel, not Coastguard.


    Fair point. But they still work closely with the CG and Clonan possibly does know the crew.

    We have a guy who doesn't work for my employers, but is on site here with us everyday. I was at his wedding. If something happened him i'd be upset too, whether he's a direct colleague or not


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  • #82
    Stheno
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    What is the CHC?


  • #83
    knucklehead6
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    Stheno wrote: »
    What is the CHC?


    Contractor.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHC_Helicopter


  • #84
    January
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    jones 19 wrote: »
    Very unprofessional by the head of the coast guard on Newstalk earlier .

    That's a bit much as someone else said he possibly knows these guys personally and has to put out interviews at a time when he's worried for colleagues. No wonder he was a mess.


  • #85
    Cessna_Pilot
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    Shocking and deeply saddening news to wake up to this morning. Heard the lads head off in the very early hours this morning as they departed Dublin.

    Some of the comments on here are worthy of the Journal ffs some people need a bit of cop on/compassion.


  • #86
    Pinch Flat
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    Thoughts with the crew and their families. The work these guys do is unreal.


  • #87
    jimbis
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    Air Corp Casa seems the be returning to Dublin.

    I'm actually in shock with the news. I've met and chatted with most of the crew and not only are they amazing brave lifesavers but they are just genuinely lovely nice people. :(


  • #88
    LXFlyer
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    ironclaw wrote: »
    If it was the guy on Morning Ireland, he was hopeless. He said it was a Scottish trawler, when it was Russian according to the Coast Guy statement. He wasn't prepared and seemed to just make it up as he went along. He shouldn't have been talking on national radio as he appeared to be a local lad who got the call and wanted a big day out.

    Why didn't the Coast Guard have a rep? That seems odd to me for such a major incident, especially as we are ~6 hrs in.
    I think that you are being rather harsh. The guy interviewed was a locally based journalist/photographer who broke the story overnight on twitter.

    He would not have all of the technical info nor would I expect him to, and I think perhaps Cathal MacCoille was asking questions that were a little unreasonable in terms of what he would be expected to know.

    The director of the Coast Guard gave a full interview after 08:00 with much more technical and informed information.

    Given that the incident took place overnight, the time lapse before an official statement/interview was made isn't that surprising, and as well as that full internal incident meetings/briefings would have to take place first, along with getting support vessels and aircraft on site, and as mentioned families alerted too.

    Our thoughts need to be with the crew, their families and all who work in the emergency services at this stage who do tremendous work 24/7, and not on a sideshow criticising someone for an interview.


  • #89
    Comhrá
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    jones 19 wrote: »
    Very unprofessional by the head of the coast guard on Newstalk earlier .

    Very unfair and unkind comment. So easy to criticise and condemn from the comfort of your keyboard.


  • #90
    Veloce
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    The IAC Casa has returned inland. Probably to refuel. The past track search pattern is incredible, it's covered a huge area in such a short time.


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  • #91
    Gaoth Laidir
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    ironclaw wrote: »
    The guy on RTE was Fergus Sweeney to the best of my recollection. I have nothing but respect for the Coast Guard and was in close proximity to the Tramore incident a few years back, hence my interest.



    I'd respectfully disagree. He answered the questions he wanted to be or thought had been asked, had little technical information and on the whole, wasn't the person RTE should have interviewed in my opinion. And its just that, an opinion.

    I don't want to drag the thread, lets get on topic and hope for the best outcome here :)

    No, it was Eugene Clonan.


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