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LDS family research centre

  • 17-04-2014 10:50am
    #1
    Qualitymark
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    Anyone been out there recently? I've tried various phone numbers and found only full mailboxes or ringing-out phones; cycled out there yesterday and the place was shut up tight at a quarter to two; emailed Salt Lake City, who sent them my email address but nary a word.


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  • #2
    pinkypinky
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    We talked about this before. I don't think anyone's had any success getting inside the building. I reckon they're defunct.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=78695057

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  • #3
    shanew
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    there was a query about this on here before - but dont think there was any success... cant remember who it was at the moment, but seem to remember they wanted to access BMD index records for N.I.


  • #4
    Waitsian
    Registered Users Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭Waitsian


    shanew wrote: »
    there was a query about this on here before - but dont think there was any success... cant remember who it was at the moment, but seem to remember they wanted to access BMD index records for N.I.

    It was me Shane, and pinky's correct - the place isn't functioning.


  • #5
    Qualitymark
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    mod9maple wrote: »
    It was me Shane, and pinky's correct - the place isn't functioning.

    Hm. Is there any way of finding the originals of records that they've microfilmed?


  • #6
    KildareFan
    Registered Users Posts: 683 ✭✭✭KildareFan


    Qualitymark wrote: »
    Hm. Is there any way of finding the originals of records that they've microfilmed?

    JOhn Grenham discussed this very issue in last Monday's Irish times at http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/irish-roots-1.1757676

    Most of the original RC parish registers are locked away in individual churches and presbyteries - some have been lost. There are microfilms in the National Library of Ireland, but not all registers have been filmed, but at least some of the lost registers were filmed and are available in NLI.

    Ancestry.com has put a number of original RC parish baptismal, confirmation and marriage registers online. It's a bit hit and miss but one of the parishes is St Andrew's, Westland Row which accounts for 1000s of Dublin baptisms.


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  • #7
    shanew
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    I believe the OP is looking for Presbyterian records.. so dont think NLI can help


  • #8
    Qualitymark
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    NLI indeed can't help. They sent me a) to the Registrar's Office in Werburgh Street and b) if that didn't work (which it didn't) to the Mormons.
    The Eustace Street Presbyterian chapel was laid down in 1867, I think it was, joining the Unitarian chapel in St Stephen's Green. I suppose they *might* have the Eustace Street records from the 1840s, but somehow I doubt it.
    Salt Lake City are kindly looking into the question of the LDS family search centre and have asked me to wait patiently while they do so.
    I actually got the LDS Family Research Centre today, and am going there next week.


  • #9
    Waitsian
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    Qualitymark wrote: »
    I actually got the LDS Family Research Centre today, and am going there next week.

    You 'got' as in made contact? Fair play. Did SLC supply you with a number or an email or did you just show up and were lucky to find someone there?

    Can you ask when you go please how others might make similar arrangements in future? An e-mail address for a contact at the centre perchance, given they have no phone? Or a name and address even for ordinary post maybe.


  • #10
    Qualitymark
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    mod9maple wrote: »
    You 'got' as in made contact? Fair play. Did SLC supply you with a number or an email or did you just show up and were lucky to find someone there?

    Can you ask when you go please how others might make similar arrangements in future? An e-mail address for a contact at the centre perchance, given they have no phone? Or a name and address even for ordinary post maybe.

    I'll do my best! How it happened: I wanted to call the Land Registry, where I have to go and check a mortgage, but couldn't remember the number I'd used, so I went back through my phone till I found one that looked likely. Rang it, and to my astonishment got through to someone in the LDS, who was in there tidying up. (It was one of the five or so numbers I'd tried before: (01) 830 6684.)

    He told me (if I'm remembering right) that officially the times are Monday and Tuesday 10 to 1pm, Wednesday 10 to 2pm, but that the people who staff it are volunteers, and it's better to make an appointment before going in.


  • #11
    Waitsian
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    Qualitymark wrote: »
    It was one of the five or so numbers I'd tried before: (01) 830 6684.

    He told me (if I'm remembering right) that officially the times are Monday and Tuesday 10 to 1pm, Wednesday 10 to 2pm, but that the people who staff it are volunteers, and it's better to make an appointment before going in.

    Good to know, thanks Q.

    Let us know how you get on when you go please, we're curious to know I think. :) I'd love to get this summer; it's always good to know there's another record repository in Dublin if needed.


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  • #12
    Qualitymark
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    mod9maple wrote: »
    Good to know, thanks Q.

    Let us know how you get on when you go please, we're curious to know I think. :) I'd love to get this summer; it's always good to know there's another record repository in Dublin if needed.

    I certainly will.


  • #13
    Jellybaby1
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    Qualitymark wrote: »
    ....I actually got the LDS Family Research Centre today, and am going there next week.

    I never cease to be amazed on this forum, but this is miraculous! Well done you for 'getting' someone. You must be the first success here to get anyone at the LDS centre. If you check through the threads you will see many here have fallen in the face of closed doors and answerless telephones. :)

    P.S. I also need Presbyterian records.


  • #14
    Qualitymark
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    Jellybaby1 wrote: »
    P.S. I also need Presbyterian records.

    Try phoning (01) 830 6684 on Tuesday between, say, 10.30 and 12.30; with any luck there'll be someone there.


  • #15
    Dun
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    Why don't you contact the Derry FHC centre - details are available through the familysearch.org site. They're open consistent with the opening hours on the site, I can see because it's just around the corner from where I live, though the last time I was there it was every other Monday, not every Monday that they were open, and that wasn't on the site. Anyhow, they might have a notion about the Dublin office.


  • #16
    Qualitymark
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    Dun, read the last few posts. Dublin's been contacted.


  • #17
    Qualitymark
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    Finally caught them open. Arrived and the man there said "We're just closing."
    "Is it two already?" I asked, astonished.
    "We close at one today." It was twenty past twelve. "But you might be able to have a quick look."
    I produced the printout from their own website, and he said "Ah, 1840s, we only have records from [I think it was] 1851. You can order those and the microfilm will be shipped over."
    "OK, can I do that?"
    "No, you'll have to do it through the website, LDS.org. There's a fee of around a tenner, I think."
    At this stage I regret to say that I was rude enough to slam out of the place. I'm a bad person. But it was my fourth visit and first to find the place open; the opening hours are different to those listed on the website, and I expected to find the records various Irish bodies have allowed the Mormons to photograph actually accessible.
    Edit: Nor can I find "order film" on either the lds.org or the familysearch.org site.
    Edit eile: a Google search citing the site found this https://familysearch.org/films/


  • #18
    Jellybaby1
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    Pretty bad show. Thought you were on to something there. I wonder how they can get away with such poor service and lack of respect to callers.


  • #19
    Qualitymark
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    Jellybaby1 wrote: »
    Pretty bad show. Thought you were on to something there. I wonder how they can get away with such poor service and lack of respect to callers.

    Well, staffer wasn't disrespectful, just ho-hum, and is a volunteer, and I wouldn't have been so hacked off except that I'm researching for a book, and this cert is one for a family of 6 (of which she's the mother); other families involved have 12 and 6 children… so it's more annoying to have this one small detail elude me yet again.

    Very weird that they don't have historic microfilm in the country it concerns, and a backup in Salt Lake City, though.


  • #20
    Waitsian
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    Sorry to hear that Q. It's a real shame. :(


  • #21
    Qualitymark
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    Further - what a kludge that familysearch.org site is. I had already found the record with microfilm number; to try to order it, I have to find it again. This time the site says "No records found".

    Finally re-found it by taking away several of the person's names. Then I went to order the film, or at least to find out how much ordering it would cost.

    The instructions for ordering on familysearch.org/films/ say that you should click the shopping basket to add the number. Ain't no shopping basket on the page, mate.


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  • #22
    pinkypinky
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    I hope you're going to send a feedback email to the LDS about your experience.

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  • #23
    Qualitymark
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    pinkypinky wrote: »
    I hope you're going to send a feedback email to the LDS about your experience.

    I've emailed them and asked them how to order through the website, and also asking why material relating to Ireland should be kept abroad. I'm sure they'll say it's because of it taking up room; but if it's possible to move the microfilm to a hard drive they could have millions of records on one tiny drive.


  • #24
    L1011
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    If the film is scanned it should be put up on the keying tool so it's on familysearch.org rather than just centres.


  • #25
    Qualitymark
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    MYOB wrote: »
    If the film is scanned it should be put up on the keying tool so it's on familysearch.org rather than just centres.

    I think they're gradually getting people to transcribe the film and putting it online.


  • #26
    pinkypinky
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    My understanding is that all the microfilms are stored in Salt Lake City, and then loaned out as needed to different Family History Centres.

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  • #27
    Qualitymark
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    Well, that wasn't the impression I got - the volunteer in the family research centre said they had them, but just not that early.


  • #28
    L1011
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    pinkypinky wrote: »
    My understanding is that all the microfilms are stored in Salt Lake City, and then loaned out as needed to different Family History Centres.

    Some films are copied and in multiple centres. Emphasis on "some" - considering how many they have!


  • #29
    Qualitymark
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    According to the sign on the (indoor) door, by the way, the opening times are - I hope I have this right:

    Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday 10-1
    Thursday 10-2


  • #30
    pedroeibar1
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    @Qualitymark - Seems then that you are unlikely to be a potential recruit / convert.........;)


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  • #31
    Qualitymark
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    Further… having gone in to the Glasnevin LDS Family Centre, and been told that the birthdate (1843) was too early, I signed up with an account on familysearch.org, and searched for the film number, then paid €8 to borrow it. I've just got an email to say it's pending, and when I followed up on that, another to say it has to be copied, and this could take 90 days.
    I've just asked them if other people can also look at the film when it's here, or if it goes straight back once I've consulted it.

    Edit: here's the reply I got:
    Once your film is at the center it is there for like 60 to 90 days and anyone else who may be interested in viewing the film may view it while it's there.

    Sincerely
    support@familysearch.org

    So I'll post it here when the film arrives. The film number is 0100238.


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