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Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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  • #9242
    manniot2
    Registered Users Posts: 706 ✭✭✭manniot2


    Renjit wrote: »
    They dont have data for medical professional's deaths because of Covid. Expecting data on reporting of deaths is not something they would do. When less data can paint a rosy picture, why bother.

    But we are talking over a billion people in India not social distancing in any meaningful way. I can’t see how under reporting or marginal differences in median age can account for the lack of millions of deaths we would be forecasting in Europe if we had that population.


  • #9243
    bb1234567
    Registered Users Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    manniot2 wrote: »
    India’s median population age is almost the exact same as Peru, and is similar to Brazil.

    As for under reporting of deaths, do they have excess deaths in general?

    Excess deaths in the countries mentioned are 2-3x times higher than official deaths..easy to find the info online

    Yes Peru and Latin America have similar median age as India but enormous deaths. Obviously that speaks to the fact India is massively underreporting deaths


  • #9244
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Nice simple graphic on superspreading

    https://vis.sciencemag.org/covid-clusters/


  • #9245
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    At one of the press conferences he said 95% if us are doing the right thing but that is not enough. It's the reason the R0 didn't get out of hand but not enough to get it down below 1.
    Well, that's quite a change from most people doing most things right most of the time!


  • #9246
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Article here on how tiny genetic differences may affect the severity of COVID.
    Unknown factors are clearly leaving some people vulnerable to the pandemic’s worst effects even though some of them are young, are not overweight and do not suffer from other obvious health problems. Scientists think that tiny genetic differences are causing some to be struck down while many others are spared.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/nov/01/covids-effect-on-health-blamed-on-tiny-genetic-variations


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  • #9247
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    At one of the press conferences he said 95% if us are doing the right thing but that is not enough. It's the reason the R0 didn't get out of hand but not enough to get it down below 1.

    That sounds like hes talking bull**** tbh


  • #9248
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    That sounds like hes talking bull**** tbh

    I thought Nphet was infallible?


  • #9249
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I thought Nphet was infallible?

    I think the only people who acc give good info from nphet are colm henry and cillian de gascun, rest are out of their depth


  • #9250
    podgeandrodge
    Registered Users Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    It is not desirable to open pubs in December. It is important that people can visit their family or invite granny to dinner at Christmas. That will not be possible if people have been out spreading Covid in pubs for a month before.

    For me, it's not whether the "pubs should open" - it's how they operate while open that is more important. It seems reasonable that they should be allowed open, but if cases are still running high, limits on numbers gathering within pubs/restaurants should be implemented.

    Open pubs, let 2/3 people go for a pint. But not 10 lads out on a session. Breaking up tables to smaller numbers with social distancing would allow some semblance of normality. But allowing unlimited numbers at Xmas will not be a good idea imo.


  • #9251
    wadacrack
    Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    What's the point in opening pubs around Christmas and then closing down again in 4 weeks? Its probably better to wait until rapid testing if available or a vaccine.


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  • #9252
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,697 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Not sure if this has been posted before or if there's anything in it. Has anyone seen any change in HSPC or this being covered anywhere?

    Would think HSE and/or NPHET would have to acknowledge any change which results in reduction in reporting of cases.

    https://twitter.com/deller89/status/1318585536483905538
    Someone asked him on Twitter for announcement and he hasn't replied. If that was the case and based on a minimum of 20% being asymptomatic at time of test, you would expect the positivety rate drop by 20% In a day. I can only see the 7 day average, I'd be curious if it's dropped as much in a single day though or is it just some random person on Twitter spewing rubbish.


  • #9253
    MelbourneMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭MelbourneMan


    Hello. Dr. De Gascun explaining at the moment, the outlook I have indicated to you all earlier. Level 3 effectively maintains an R0 of 1. A stable position can be sustained at this level, but not with greater relaxation of restriction. And on the other side, how a Level 3 type programme is not sufficient to suppress the virus once R0 exceeds one, and or, case numbers become, or are projected to become, higher than health care capacity can handle. You can listen back to it on the RTE radio player shortly :

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/

    and I shall be happy to answer any question here that people have on it. To avoid some of the repetition here and a constant answering of the same questions, a brief outline could perhaps be added to the helpful opening post on this thread that was written by the creators/moderators. It will help many people to a fuller understanding of the situation, and how it will be handled and affect their lives over the coming year.


  • #9254
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users Posts: 5,396 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    Hello. Dr. De Gascun explaining at the moment, the outlook I have indicated to you all earlier. Level 3 effectively maintains an R0 of 1. A stable position can be sustained at this level, but not with greater relaxation of restriction. And on the other side, how a Level 3 type programme is not sufficient to suppress the virus once R0 exceeds one, and or, case numbers become or are projected to become higher than health care capacity can handle. You can listen back to it on the RTE radio player shortly :

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/

    and I shall be happy to answer any question here that people have on it. To avoid some of the repetition here and a constant answering of the same questions, a brief outline could perhaps be added to the helpful opening post on this thread that was written by the creators/moderators. It will help many people to a fuller understanding of the situation, and how it will be handled and affect their lives over the coming year.

    This is all spin to conceal the fact they simply didnt leave enough time to see whether a certain level was working or not.


  • #9255
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    Hello. Dr. De Gascun explaining at the moment, the outlook I have indicated to you all earlier. Level 3 effectively maintains an R0 of 1. A stable position can be sustained at this level, but not with greater relaxation of restriction. And on the other side, how a Level 3 type programme is not sufficient to suppress the virus once R0 exceeds one, and or, case numbers become, or are projected to become, higher than health care capacity can handle. You can listen back to it on the RTE radio player shortly :

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/

    and I shall be happy to answer any question here that people have on it. To avoid some of the repetition here and a constant answering of the same questions, a brief outline could perhaps be added to the helpful opening post on this thread that was written by the creators/moderators. It will help many people to a fuller understanding of the situation, and how it will be handled and affect their lives over the coming year.


    Definitely Tony H!


  • #9256
    mloc123
    Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    manniot2 wrote: »
    Not trolling, genuinely wondering if someone can explain why we are not seeing mass deaths in poor countries like India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, most of Africa? Last I saw India had 100k deaths with a population of over 1billion. Having been in India and Sri Lanka I can’t imagine social distancing being enforced greatly.

    At a guess... The Indian government are not on the slums off cities counting the dead and updating a database with them.


  • #9257
    prunudo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,001 ✭✭✭prunudo


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Definitely Tony H!

    They certainly have an odd posting style whoever they are.


  • #9258
    mloc123
    Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    It is not desirable to open pubs in December. It is important that people can visit their family or invite granny to dinner at Christmas. That will not be possible if people have been out spreading Covid in pubs for a month before.

    Yup... I dunno about anyone else. But I'd quite like to see my parents and siblings after 2-3 months for Xmas than sit in a pub drinking pints...


  • #9259
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users Posts: 5,396 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    mloc123 wrote: »
    At a guess... The Indian government are not on the slums off cities counting the dead and updating a database with them.

    I dont know what you think about India or what your experience with India is. Do you think its like something our of the Walking Dead? Bodies left to rot everywhere or such?


  • #9260
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    mloc123 wrote: »
    At a guess... The Indian government are not on the slums off cities counting the dead and updating a database with them.

    India also has a far right government, that are most likely deliberately lying about the numbers dead. It should be noted that based on official figures, they are still the 2nd or 3rd worst country for infections right now.


  • #9261
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Family member whose house I had to enter the other day just told me that their child was a close contact of a child in their class some weeks ago. They told me this some time after I entered their house, stayed to do work and left. They did not have their child follow-up tested and did not tell me about the initial negative test before I entered the house to do the task required.

    They need me to come back again on Tuesday and I'm not keen, because even though their child tested negative last time, it doesn't mean that they were negative. The follow up test would have been the clarification but they didn't want him to have to feel the discomfort of the test again. Their child never showed symptoms but they shared a desk in school with students who tested positive the same week.

    I don't want to overreact but I'm fairly incensed that they didn't bring their child for the follow up test, didn't tell me about the situation before requiring that I enter their house and only told me about it incidentally after I had done what they wanted. Feeling very reluctant about finishing the job.

    Just to add that I am in the high risk category due to health issues and I care for after family members who would most definitely have bad outcomes. I'm thinking that I'll have to get another test now and I only feckin had one two weeks ago.


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  • #9262
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    I dont know what you think about India or what your experience with India is. Do you think its like something our of the Walking Dead? Bodies left to rot everywhere or such?

    The Indian government let people starve to death during there lock down. Day labourers were left with out any money and they in some cases walked 1000s of miles to there home villages. The far right government in India has been very cruel to a lot of people.


  • #9263
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    Hello. Dr. De Gascun explaining at the moment, the outlook I have indicated to you all earlier. Level 3 effectively maintains an R0 of 1. A stable position can be sustained at this level, but not with greater relaxation of restriction. And on the other side, how a Level 3 type programme is not sufficient to suppress the virus once R0 exceeds one, and or, case numbers become, or are projected to become, higher than health care capacity can handle. You can listen back to it on the RTE radio player shortly :

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/

    and I shall be happy to answer any question here that people have on it. To avoid some of the repetition here and a constant answering of the same questions, a brief outline could perhaps be added to the helpful opening post on this thread that was written by the creators/moderators. It will help many people to a fuller understanding of the situation, and how it will be handled and affect their lives over the coming year.

    Gas 😀


  • #9264
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Can those of us without grandparents go for a pint instead, those with grannies stay at home.


    If you isolate for 14 days perhaps you could. But we know you won't.


  • #9265
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,222 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    Hello. Dr. De Gascun explaining at the moment, the outlook I have indicated to you all earlier. Level 3 effectively maintains an R0 of 1. A stable position can be sustained at this level, but not with greater relaxation of restriction. And on the other side, how a Level 3 type programme is not sufficient to suppress the virus once R0 exceeds one, and or, case numbers become, or are projected to become, higher than health care capacity can handle. You can listen back to it on the RTE radio player shortly :

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/

    and I shall be happy to answer any question here that people have on it. To avoid some of the repetition here and a constant answering of the same questions, a brief outline could perhaps be added to the helpful opening post on this thread that was written by the creators/moderators. It will help many people to a fuller understanding of the situation, and how it will be handled and affect their lives over the coming year.

    So you’re effectively saying that level 3 after six weeks of level 5, where the R0 has reduced to under 1 - will keep the numbers stable. This could well be true, but the Government also brought in a ban on household visits prior to the Level 5 announcement. People need to live rather than exist over the next 6 months - there needs to be an end game and longer term strategy. I don’t think people will take kindly to being separated at Christmas & will take chances. It could be an idea to highlight at risk groups & come up with strategies on how to see at risk relatives safely.


  • #9266
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    If you isolate for 14 days perhaps you could. But we know you won't.

    Why would I need to isolate? I went to the pub when they were open and obeyed the restrictions they operated under. I must have missed the 14 day isolation period where was this mentioned?


  • #9267
    wadacrack
    Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Family member whose house I had to enter the other day just told me that their child was a close contact of a child in their class some weeks ago. They told me this some time after I entered their house, stayed to do work and left. They did not have their child follow-up tested and did not tell me about the initial negative test before I entered the house to do the task required.

    They need me to come back again on Tuesday and I'm not keen, because even though their child tested negative last time, it doesn't mean that they were negative. The follow up test would have been the clarification but they didn't want him to have to feel the discomfort of the test again. Their child never showed symptoms but they shared a desk in school with students who tested positive the same week.

    I don't want to overreact but I'm fairly incensed that they didn't bring their child for the follow up test, didn't tell me about the situation before requiring that I enter their house and only told me about it incidentally after I had done what they wanted. Feeling very reluctant about finishing the job.

    Just to add that I am in the high risk category due to health issues and I care for after family members who would most definitely have bad outcomes. I'm thinking that I'll have to get another test now and I only feckin had one two weeks ago.

    You should tell them what you wrote on this past. Not comfortable with the situation. It may make them think before they irresponsible again


  • #9268
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,199 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Family member whose house I had to enter the other day just told me that their child was a close contact of a child in their class some weeks ago. They told me this some time after I entered their house, stayed to do work and left. They did not have their child follow-up tested and did not tell me about the initial negative test before I entered the house to do the task required.

    They need me to come back again on Tuesday and I'm not keen, because even though their child tested negative last time, it doesn't mean that they were negative. The follow up test would have been the clarification but they didn't want him to have to feel the discomfort of the test again. Their child never showed symptoms but they shared a desk in school with students who tested positive the same week.

    I don't want to overreact but I'm fairly incensed that they didn't bring their child for the follow up test, didn't tell me about the situation before requiring that I enter their house and only told me about it incidentally after I had done what they wanted. Feeling very reluctant about finishing the job.

    Just to add that I am in the high risk category due to health issues and I care for after family members who would most definitely have bad outcomes. I'm thinking that I'll have to get another test now and I only feckin had one two weeks ago.

    The child was a close contact weeks ago so don't see the issue here. Take the usual precautions, wear a mask etc.

    Why would you need to go for a test. Nobody tested positive, your not a close contact of a confirmed case and you've no symptoms so you won't get one.


  • #9269
    bb1234567
    Registered Users Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    I dont know what you think about India or what your experience with India is. Do you think its like something our of the Walking Dead? Bodies left to rot everywhere or such?

    I don't know what your experience of India is but his opinion is probably closer to reality than yours seems to be

    Of the estimated 56 million deaths in India in 2014 it's thought that only half were officially registered. Most people in India die at home rather than hospitals, no matter what the cause of death, their cause of deaths for the most part are compeltely unknown.

    So if you think India's COVID deaths are anything close to a reflection of reality then you're very overly optimistic. At the very most it accounts for just those who died in hospital settings in the major cities. In some Indian states those who die of COVID in hospital are not counted as a COVID if they have an underlying condition as well. So yeh, think you might get the picture of how accurate India's covid death toll of 120,000 is now.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-28228177


  • #9270
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    wadacrack wrote: »
    You should tell them what you wrote on this past. Not comfortable with the situation. It may make them think before they irresponsible again

    He said the child was a close contact weeks ago. Where's the irresponsibility?


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  • #9271
    manniot2
    Registered Users Posts: 706 ✭✭✭manniot2


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    I don't know what your experience of India is but his opinion is probably closer to reality than yours seems to be

    Of the estimated 56 million deaths in India in 2014 it's thought that only half were officially registered. Most people in India die at home rather than hospitals, no matter what the cause of death, their cause of deaths for the most part are compeltely unknown.

    So if you think India's COVID deaths are anything close to a reflection of reality then you're very naive. At the very most it accounts for just those who died in hospital settings

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-28228177

    Are their hospitals overflowing etc like we always project here?


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