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31-05-2018, 10:51   #16
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The trouble with rail freight today is that we have long passed the tipping point, yards and gantries swept away, staff gone, sidings gone, wagons gone, locomotives..blah, blah, blah. It has little to do with distances being too short or the so-called motorway network and more to do with the State paying lip service to the railways, carbon emissions etc.etc. blah, blah.
What kills rail freight is how little heavy industry we have here in Ireland. What little industry we do have is mostly light industry and in the modern world that is all about just in time delivery, which rail freight isn't well suited to. The short distances in Ireland and motorways are the nail in it's coffin.

Light industry simply has no need for rail freight and it is very hard to justify the cost of maintaining those yards, gantries, sidings, wagons, locos, trackbeds, staff for how little heavy industry we have. There just isn't the scale to justify it, specially when you can just roll a truck up to your factory load it up and have your freight anywhere in Ireland in just 3 to 4 hours.

The environmental argument is also pretty weak. After all rail freight locos use the same Diesel that trucks do and in fact trucks most meet much stricter pollution regulations (Euro 5 and 6 engines) then old rail freight locos which likely have zero filtration.
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Another visionary politician.
I reckon the Greenway advocates just need a priest or a monsignor to back their idea and it will be done and dusted. The missing link all along.
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I reckon the Greenway advocates just need a priest or a monsignor to back their idea and it will be done and dusted. The missing link all along.
I'm not so sure about that.

Monsignor Horan (Knock Airport) 1 - Monsignor McGreil (WRC) 1/2
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To save the effort of going to Galway Bay FM and the fact the podcast will drop off the GBFM site in due course, here is the Ciaran Cannon interview of May 30th for posterity transferred to You Tube;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkTT...ature=youtu.be
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This is just an interesting comment on this thread and its huge (2) predecessors.
The original thread was called
The Western Rail Corridor, when that closed down (the thread!) we all moved on to the second thread which got to 10,000 posts called the
The Western Rail Corridor (all disused sections)

We now are just at the start of our third thread or chapter in this saga and what is the thread called:

Western Rail Corridor/Rail Trail.

As you know the famous quote from SF Charlestown Mayo Cllr Gerry "not up for discussion" Murray, I think we can clearly say the Western Rail Corridor is most definitely up for discussion!

Interesting how debate and words change history.
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Canneys on the ropes

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Shock poll shows TD’s seat under threat

http://connachttribune.ie/shock-poll...er-threat-687/

A prominent Galway East TD is in danger of losing his seat at the next general election if an opinion poll conducted in the constituency is anything to go by.

The sample poll of 1,500 has revealed that Independent TD Sean Canney could face an uphill struggle to retain his seat – despite being a poll topper back in 2016.

The poll, conducted by senior Fianna Fail party members last month, shows that Fine Gael will be putting in a strong bid to win a second seat in the three-seater constituency which has experienced even further boundary changes since the last general election.

It shows that Minister Ciaran Cannon of Fine Gael topping the poll on 18.4% of the vote – an increase of almost 3% on his performance last time out.

Fianna Fail’s Deputy Anne Rabbitte is on 16.6% which is a slight increase on her 2016 vote while Deputy Canney is back on 16% which is a drop of almost 2.5%.

But the surprise package in this whole scenario is the performance of Fine Gael’s Cllr Pete Roche who polled 15.6% of first preferences which would put him in with ‘a fighting chance’ of taking the third seat.

And close behind is Fianna Fail’s Cllr Donagh Killilea on a very respectable 15% but he has not decided if he will contest the party convention which is due to be held in the autumn.

It is thought that party member Ned Burns from Abbeyknockmoy, who has strong ties to Deputy Anne Rabbitte, will allow his name go forward having been nominated and could well be the second FF candidate in the constituency.

Canney has been hit on two fronts. Since the last general election there have been further boundary changes with more of Galway East going into the Roscommon-Galway constituency.

Areas like Dunmore, Brownsgrove, Clonberne, Moylough and Mountbellew are no longer part of Galway East and Canney has lost around 1,000 first preferences in the process – in 2016 he topped the poll with almost 8,500 votes.
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If he tried representing the electorate and not his cronies, he could be at the trough for life. But he will be kicked out, and should be. In fact if current speculation is anything to go by, he could be gone in weeks.
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Shane Ross response to Tony McLoughlin yesterday:

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As the Deputy is aware, both the "Programme for a Partnership Government" and the recently-published "National Development Plan" commit to independent review of the costings for a proposal to extend the existing Western Rail Corridor.

My Department is currently at an advanced stage in developing an approach for progressing such a review in line with these commitments, and I expect to be in a position shortly to decide on the approach to be taken. I am also cognisant of the need for stakeholder consultation as part of the process, and can assure the Deputy that this will be an integral part of the review's arrangements. Once the process is complete, the findings of this review will be submitted to Government for consideration in the usual way.
https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2018-06-13a.416
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I'll be making a submission to that consultation for a greenway and I know plenty of others who will be doing so too
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There's some new players on the field, though I am unsure of what game they are playing, charades maybe?

http://connachttribune.ie/minister-c...-greenway-000/

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Minister Cannon comes under fire for supporting greenway

A Government minister has come under fire for lending his support for the provision of a walking and cycling greenway on the old Western Rail Corridor.

Junior Minister Ciaran Cannon has been accused of adding to the current gridlock that exists in and around Galway city by his stance on abandoning the rail track.

Minister Cannon recently rubbished any suggestion that the Western Rail Corridor should be reopened to train traffic and he said that the provision of a greenway from Athenry all the way to Enniskillen was the way to go.

And he added that “a small cohort” of individuals who are advocating rail traffic on the line were doing “a disservice” to a lot of people who could benefit from a greenway.

But an organisation called Future Looking Athenry Group (FLAG) have made contact with the Connacht Tribune and say that the closure of the Tuam to Athenry railway line in the 1970s is now a major contributory factor in the current congestion.

A statement signed by Seamus Mulkerrins, Noel Doherty and Kevin Higgins says that while motorways are great, they add to the bottlenecks around cities like Galway by moving traffic more efficiently.

They believe that Athenry can be the centre for rail travel in the west and that is why they are totally opposed to the rail corridor being used for any other purpose.

Minister Cannon said that there will not be any trains running along the Western Rail Corridor “in our lifetime” and he also went on to dismiss the prospect of it being used for freight traffic.

He said that the biggest rail freight company in the country had recently scaled back their demand for a service between Ballina and Waterford Port to just one a week and now there was no service required.

However, the members of FLAG say that Minister Cannon along with fellow greenway advocate Deputy Anne Rabbitte of Fianna Fail did not judge the views of the country in the recent referendum very well and they believe that they have called it wrong on this occasion as well.

“We are not against a greenway but we just don’t accept that it should be provided on the old railway line.

“Those people old enough can still remember the destruction of the Galway to Clifden railway line and the tram lines in Dublin.

“We reject strongly his assertion that a small cohort of individuals are advocating rail traffic. The closure of the Tuam to Athenry line is a major contributory factor in the current traffic congestion.

“There have been occasions recently of traffic back-ups as far as Oranmore, Derrydonnell and, indeed, as far back as Athenry on the approach to Galway.

“This, we suggest, is a sign of future traffic congestion around Galway and imagine what it will be like in 20 years time when the population of the country is expected to double,” the group stated.

They are of the opinion that the Galway to Limerick rail service is very well utilised and that the closure of the Western Rail Corridor would be short-sighted in the future.
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There's some new players on the field, though I am unsure of what game they are playing, charades maybe?

http://connachttribune.ie/minister-c...-greenway-000/
A small group.of Sean Canney supporters in athenry with their heads firmly stuck in the sand.
They won't like this morning's news from.Tuam!
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...98227776918798
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A small group.of Sean Canney supporters in athenry with their heads firmly stuck in the sand.
They won't like this morning's news from.Tuam!
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...98227776918798
Holy crap lol

I look forward to the reaction
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Holy crap lol

I look forward to the reaction
People are tired listening to 5hite.
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Shane Ross response to Tony McLoughlin yesterday:



https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2018-06-13a.416
That was on June 13th look what he wrote to me in APRIL 26th! Ross is so full of BS it's untrue.

Our Ref: SR/18/21898

Dear Mr Quinn

On behalf of the Minister for Transport, Tourism & Sport, Shane Ross, T.D., I wish to thank you for your email of 19 April 2018 regarding the review of the western rail corridor, the contents which have been noted. My Department is currently at an advanced stage in developing an approach for progressing this review.

Yours sincerely,


Chris Smith
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My Department is currently at an advanced stage in developing an approach for progressing this review.
I bet there was a bonus in the office that day for whoever could come up with the most meaningless sentence.

"An advanced stage in developing an approach for progressing a review". Wow! Sir Humphrey of Yes Minister would be proud.

This is civil service code for: "This will never happen".
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