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26-01-2019, 18:18   #61
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If motorists are going about their business lawfully then that is congestion. This film shows people obstructing the road deliberately because they consider their business more important.
People sitting in a car knowing it's the most congested city in Ireland are deliberately causing congestion.

https://www.thejournal.ie/galway-bad...27711-Dec2017/

Cyclists are perfectly lawful in using the roundabout as they do.
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26-01-2019, 18:22   #62
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Its not. The parents are still driving to work. They've just got someone else to do the school dropoff for them.
Off the road on this route. Did that really need explaining.

Drivers spend endless threads complaining about school time traffic. Some of it gets removed and they are still complaining.

The only solution to that is stop driving to work and causing your own problem.
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26-01-2019, 18:31   #63
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Without the adults protecting the children, cars would speed past them closely and scare and endanger them. Do you think that’s ok?

At what point do young people cease to be wrapped in cotton wool?
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26-01-2019, 18:38   #64
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Of course they are, but you cannot proceed on to a roundabout just because the cyclist in front of you had a clear road. It is not clear that they are not doing that, they seem to following the person in front.

This is a disgrace, especially cycling across zebra crossings, which should be reserved for pedestrians, the most vulnerable class of road user. Encouraging children to break the law is never a good plan.
"...It is not clear that they are not doing that..."

It's a disgrace they might be doing something even if they are not doing it. Lol.

Kids under 12 are not allowed in the road unless accompanied and they aren't allowed to cycle on paths. So pretty much kids aren't allowed to cycle in Ireland.

This in a thread complaining about traffic and congestion. Talk about sawing the branch you're standing on.
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26-01-2019, 18:43   #65
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Going back to the thing about indicators - I phrased my earlier post badly. It's more precise to say there's no penalty set down in law for not using an indicator. Which means that even if you should (or "must") use your indicator, nobody can do anything about it if you don't.

And if anybody wants to contradict me on this one, please point me towards the exact provision in the Road Traffic Act (or anything else) that says otherwise.
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26-01-2019, 18:48   #66
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At what point do young people cease to be wrapped in cotton wool?
Probably the most idiotic post ever given what is being spoken about. Next time you are in a train station stand the far side of the yellow line on the platform when an express whizzes by. If you survive, come back here and tell us how you think kids would feel with motor vehicles doing exactly that.
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26-01-2019, 18:50   #67
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At what point do young people cease to be wrapped in cotton wool?
As far as cycling on open roads go? When they're old enough to be able to understand how to interpret danger caused by other road users and anticipate the stupid moves people in motor vehicles may make before they make them.

I'm really not surprised there has been negative reaction to this. Does anyone here even drive in Galway and have they been 'inconvenienced' by this?
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26-01-2019, 19:15   #68
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I'm really not surprised there has been negative reaction to this. Does anyone here even drive in Galway and have they been 'inconvenienced' by this?
On the contrary, the reaction locally has been hugely positive with multiple other schools looking at starting their own cycle bus (that's the actual name, not cycle train).

As for being "inconvenienced", what you are talking about is a road with cars going about 5kmh at this time of the morning.

Locally, nobody is against this and its being seen as a way to motivate the council into finally put in proper, segregated cycling infrastructure.

They are currently finalising plans for additional cycle buses in Remore and Oranmore.

One is starting shortly in Limerick too.

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26-01-2019, 19:30   #69
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On the contrary, the reaction locally has been hugely positive with multiple other schools looking at starting their own cycle bus (that's the actual name, not cycle train).

As for being "inconvenienced", what you are talking about is a road with cars going about 5kmh at this time of the morning.

Locally, nobody is against this and its being seen as a way to motivate the council into finally put in proper, segregated cycling infrastructure.
I was talking about on boards/this thread specifically.
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Going back to the thing about indicators - I phrased my earlier post badly.
that's one way of saying 'what i wrote was clearly incorrect'.
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How about they make cycle lanes on the paths with laws to remove anything parking on them, and no signs/bus shelters put on them?
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Yes, but they also need to have respect.

It goes both ways.
this is the attitude i find most bemusing. a child on a bicycle who is probably able to travel faster than the average car at that time (and which probably has the same number of occupants as the bike), is asked to have respect for the car, by getting out of the way; even though it's the car who's utimately causing the slowness in traffic

if a 10 year old on a bike is probably able to maintain about 15km/h without breaking sweat, the worst case scenario, that both the motorist and cyclist are travelling the full 3km in question, the motorist will be stuck behind the bikes for 12 minutes assuming at no point can they pass.
how fast does traffic move in galway at 8:30am?
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If motorists are going about their business lawfully then that is congestion. This film shows people obstructing the road deliberately because they consider their business more important.
I presume you call out every other possible case of obstruction, Charlie? Every time you see a truck or van parked illegally on the path or bike lane to deliver to a shop or restaurant? Every cement mixer or HGV taking up most of the road while delivering to a building site? Every double-parked car while the motorists picks up the dry-cleaning or a Happy Meal?


Because if it's only obstruction by cyclists that you call out, the issue isn't the obstruction.
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Probably the most idiotic post ever given what is being spoken about. Next time you are in a train station stand the far side of the yellow line on the platform when an express whizzes by. If you survive, come back here and tell us how you think kids would feel with motor vehicles doing exactly that.
Overreact much? Seriously though, what’s with the perpetual hand holding of kids who need to be taught personal independence as early as practicable, and not be either molly-coddled or collectivised
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Probably the most idiotic post ever given what is being spoken about. Next time you are in a train station stand the far side of the yellow line on the platform when an express whizzes by. If you survive, come back here and tell us how you think kids would feel with motor vehicles doing exactly that.
You’re right, we need to remove these speeding death traps as much as possible.
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