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19-12-2018, 10:14   #61
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Drove into work today, about 7:15 on the N11. Not one junction went without at least two RLJers. One or two were comical in their lateness. It's always been bad in Dublin but it is comical at this point.
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It gets fairly prominent when there's less traffic on the road, particularly in Dublin City Centre. Motorists in a rush can gather more speed as they're going through junctions.
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19-12-2018, 11:03   #63
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Happened me this morning when crossing road. Was that close to being mown down by a car that totally ignored the red light. She was on a bus lane too and going well above speed limit. Tool reg but guards said my word against hers. Some people shouldn't be allowed behind wheel of car
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How do you mean? Amber is the one you stop on unless it's unsafe to do so. It doesn't matter a jot how the long the sequence is, as soon as that's amber that means you should be ready to stop unless you really can't.

People keep going however, and treat it like " ah you've a few seconds til you have to stop" and 4-5 cars squeeze on through. In reality, only that first car should ever be in a position that it has to proceed through an amber light because it is close to the stop line.

You stop on amber. Simple as. It's written in very plain english in the Road Traffic Act.
I got rear ended by a truck a few years back. As I was still ages away from the lights, they turned amber, so I slowed and stopped at the light (they were red by the time I actually got to them). About 3 or 4 seconds later a truck thumped into me. The truck driver said he didn't think I'd stop. Given how far he was behind me either he completely wasn't paying attention, or saw the amber light from even further back and put his foot down at that stage.
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19-12-2018, 11:23   #65
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We are not a serious country.

I notice a massive reduction in people using indicators over the last 20 years too. Nobody enforcing the laws of the road.
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19-12-2018, 11:34   #66
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I don't understand stuff like this. It's so easy to fix and it'd be a money maker too which pays for the fix. And if it make more money than it costs to run put the money into the Gardai.

Pop a camera on the light and take a photo of every car going through on red. Penalty points and a fine in the post. The red light runners wouldn't be long improving their observance of the red lights.

AND the guy in the OPs post had 32 previous convictions (one for drink driving and another ban from 2012). I don't know how many other were for driving offences. We need to get to a stage where if you have X amount of convictions we start getting serious about making sure that these people don't cause more death or injury to people who actually bother following the laws. In this case a 6 year old is dead. That shouldn't be acceptable to anybody.
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19-12-2018, 11:49   #67
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Yup, a combination of things, red light cameras could work, also traffic wardens (with go pros and body cams) who can "police" junctions, bus lanes, dodgy/dangerous parking... Even carrying mobile phones while driving...
And reduce traffic light times when everyone's on red (bring in amber after red,or red and and amber) so traffic is ready to move immediately on green.. Obviously you'd have to start dealing with red light jumpers first..
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From my recollection of reading it, Right of Way in the junction after a red, makes no distinction as to why you ended up in that junction, with a red light from where you came. Just that you are there and need to clear the junction, without others impeeding you, even if they have a green light. That'll need to be addressed before putting up Red Light Cameras. I'm not condoning it, just indicating what this thread is pushing, isn't simply a matter of sticking a few cameras up.

If the amber comes up, and I don't have the distance to stop in a manner that isn't abrupt, I'll go through it. Unless I see something else around the junction that requires me to stop abruptly.

I ain't one for speeding either. I'm genuinely not the kind to be in a rush to get anywhere. But the Ambers aren't usually set to the distance required to stop safely, for the speed limit on the road. They are just to tell you that the red light is coming up in the sequence.
You should be prepared and able to stop especially at junctions, there can be pedestrian crossings, or people with limited ability or experience to understand the speed of vehicles (ie children) you dont have a right of way to proceed, just to proceed with caution, so you cant plough on through just because you need/want to complete your maneuver. Saying amber is a sign that a red is coming up, well yes, but even if there is a green light you should be prepared and able to stop.

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I don't understand stuff like this. It's so easy to fix and it'd be a money maker too which pays for the fix. And if it make more money than it costs to run put the money into the Gardai.

Pop a camera on the light and take a photo of every car going through on red. Penalty points and a fine in the post. The red light runners wouldn't be long improving their observance of the red lights.

AND the guy in the OPs post had 32 previous convictions (one for drink driving and another ban from 2012). I don't know how many other were for driving offences. We need to get to a stage where if you have X amount of convictions we start getting serious about making sure that these people don't cause more death or injury to people who actually bother following the laws. In this case a 6 year old is dead. That shouldn't be acceptable to anybody.

I do not know how they can even speak of forgiveness,

It has reached the point where you would need cameras at every junction, I cant see a public body running it efficiently, a private company should be allowed and would be needed to run it, 50% of any penalties should be paid to the state and be ringfenced for dealing with traffic problems and enforcement. The Gardai dont care, Im not really sure what they care about or do, I dont get the impression if their numbers were increased or if they were better funded that they would do any better or be bothered. The Uk has automated systems to deal with this and Gardai should not be wasting time and resources when penalties could be managed automatically with some limited administration.
Timing of lights and introducing an amber before green, while not directly linked to the problems mentioned at least might help improve use of time available at the lights. There are a pair of light sets in close proximity to each other, near me and there is no logic in the timing between them, one set comes on and immediately you get through them and the next set is going red, but the timing is unusual as it seems to vary slightly, sometimes you will get a red well in advance, other times it stays green for longer, whats apparent is that traffic coming from a crossing lane always jumps and persists for a number of cars when you can see their light is red, while I think poor design of the timing can lead to problems, people shouldnt be breaking them, but there doesnt seem any obvious means to try and deal with it.

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19-12-2018, 11:55   #69
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Junction of North King Street & Queen Street Dublin 7 is another black-spot. The pedestrian X is actually several meters beyond the lights and cars approaching can see the lights changing from distance yet the amount of cars ignoring the red light and breaking the pedestrian X is scary.

I almost got clipped as I stepped out with the green man in my favor as a guy broke the lights. I gave his car a slap with my hand and he hits the anchors, jumps out screaming don't touch my car. I was ready for it to turn physical as I am standing in the middle of the road saying don't break the lights, I won't touch your car. I think he realized he was in the wrong or either he thought I ain't got the beating of this guy but he jumps back in his car screaming abuse at me.

But yes, without doubt the amount of red light jumpers and people who sit in yellow boxes has definitely gone through the roof. As others have said, it's because there is no enforcement or consequence of people's actions. If people where getting prosecuted you would see a change in behaviour.
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19-12-2018, 12:02   #70
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Its an endemic in Dublin and is getting worse as there is zero enforcement or consquesde for breaking a red light.
Yesterday I was stopped at the lights at the old Griffith avenue Garda station & counted 5 cars that broke the red light.
Further up the road at the Collins avenue beside Whitehall Church, I counted
8 cars that broke the red lights.
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19-12-2018, 12:24   #71
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I was the front car at a roadworks "Stop-Go" yesterday when a driver became inpatient and came up on the inside, driving along the footpath. The guy holding the stop sign had to look twice as he could not believe what he was seeing.

Having navigated around the road works the driver then gunned it down the road because the permanent traffic lights were by this stage amber, before going through the junction well after they became red.

Drivers/cyclists/pedestrians breaking red lights is now nearly the norm, but what are the odds of them getting caught and even if they do get caught, what will happen?

Many drivers have dash cams now (some stills from yesterday now attached), so maybe the way forward is for the Gardai to set up a portal where you could upload offenders and they would deal with it? The increased risk of getting caught might then make some of these plonkers think twice?
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19-12-2018, 12:57   #72
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I've been thinking about that little boy since it happened over a year ago. It was right outside my parent's estate, the house I lived in for several years. I still cross at those lights regularly with my own children. The teddies and stuffed toys are still pinned to the wall beside it in tribute to Cian.

That boy did everything right but a man who wasn't bothered stopping for the light killed him.

It made me think a lot about crossings in this country. I genuinely think that pedestrian crossings with lights are flawed as they encourage the driver to focus on the light rather than on the pedestrians themselves. In other countries they use zebra crossings a lot more and it moves the drivers attention to the pedestrians rather than some pole with a light on it. I think having the emphasis on drivers to pay attention to and cede to actual people would be better. It's easy to break a light - it's just a light. But if you see an actual person there it's harder, I think, to ignore them. Also, a zebra crossing puts an emphasis on the pedestrian to only cross when the cars are actually stopped as opposed to obeying a light which is ultimately meaningless, as was so horribly demonstrated in this case.

That poor family though. It's just too much.
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19-12-2018, 13:15   #73
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I wouldn't be able to forgive him, there are no words, I suppose there must be some sort of relief in not holding that anger in but I simply could not do it. My young lad is the same age, he is now used to waiting after the man goes green at our pedestrian crossing near the house. At least once in his two trips across every day a car will roll forward on red, continue on through or push off before the green is there.

When you let a roar, they look confused, what is wrong with people.
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19-12-2018, 13:24   #74
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cameras are the solution.
when someone gets a notice of fine/points in the door and the reason why maybe then the message will get through.

the disregard for the pedestrian crossing near our local supervalu, a crossing used by adults and kids all day, is frightening.
i used to think it was just young lads driving through the red but ive seen men old enough to know better and women, some with kids on board, sail through.

then you have the one who sails through the red and on the phone. ain't life grand *sigh*
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Yeah I would agree it has definitely become worse.

I think the problem is one some people start doing it, then it becomes acceptable and then endemic.

It's also true that if follow the rules and stop on amber, some moron will beep at you and get aggressive.

Dublin in particular has some very badly designed traffic light junctions. Things like fly lights that are setup very weirdly and trap people on junctions due to poor sequencing and lots of frustratingly short sequences. No light should be going green for just 1 or 2 cars max. That causes drivers to do crazy things.
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