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15-01-2018, 23:21   #16
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Wonder how it will be routed ? I'd put money on it that it will start in Charlestown and onto the village.....

Curious to see if it will be allowed to go over Broombridge or if it will be routed the same way as the 120.

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Like most such DB routes it'll probably start off small, reliable and efficient - then lobbying from neighbourhood groups and councillors will see it extended and also do a series of tangents through various housing estates until it quickly becomes unpredictable and unusable.
Not to mention being pulled due to 'anti-social behaviour'.
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In the meantime, more bus shenanigans on A-B.ie.

Travelling from M3 Parkway to Broombridge during the day? Think the logical connection would be to take the train to Clonsilla and change to a direct train to Broombridge?

Wrong! At least, that's what the TFI Journey Planners think.

http://journeyplanner.transportforir...emplate=odvbox

Apparently, you need to get off the train at Dunboyne and get a 70 bus to the bottom of the Navan Road, then walk.

One hour and forty three minutes versus thirty minutes by train.

Joined up Public Transport at its very best!!

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The reason that is happening is because that journey would involve a four minute connection and I believe that the journey planner will not consider a connection that tight for journey planning purposes.

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The reason that is happening is because that journey would involve a four minute connection.
Still doesn't make sense though.
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Still doesn't make sense though.
You have to have a cut-off somewhere and industry standard tends to be at least five minutes for rail services throughout most of Europe apart from one platform stations which it is usually less for.

However for shuttles like the M3 Parkway shuttle that exist wholly to connect with other lines rather than being a full line train, there is an argument to reduce them.
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The reason that is happening is because that journey would involve a four minute connection and I believe that the journey planner will not consider a connection that tight for journey planning purposes.
yes, but the system is also used in Munich where theres such connections (actually with only a minute between arrival and departure), so it just would need to be configured that this specific tight connection in Clonsilla is doable
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Like most such DB routes it'll probably start off small, reliable and efficient - then lobbying from neighbourhood groups and councillors will see it extended and also do a series of tangents through various housing estates until it quickly becomes unpredictable and unusable.
One of the major benefits of the Luas , the stops are the stops and the route is the route. It takes years and millions to change.
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One of the major benefits of the Luas , the stops are the stops and the route is the route. It takes years and millions to change.
Which on the face of it you would think is a disadvantage (lack of flexibility), but I believe in the Irish political/planning/transport landscape is a big advantage.

In Ireland, systems that have flexibility quickly get abused due to political pressure. Ah, sure redirect that bus off the motorway into a little estate to pick up a handful of OAPs, shure it will only take 2 minutes. Before long you have major routes turned into magical mystery tours of every estate along the way!

Or cancel bus lane changes so we can squeeze a few cars and taxis through (e.g. quays) due to pressure from car parks, etc.

I think Luas brings with it a certain gravity that effects all transport and infrastructure around it that buses just can't do.

Also the people of Dublin love Luas, which makes objections from car park owners, etc. harder to push through.
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You have to have a cut-off somewhere and industry standard tends to be at least five minutes for rail services throughout most of Europe apart from one platform stations which it is usually less for.

However for shuttles like the M3 Parkway shuttle that exist wholly to connect with other lines rather than being a full line train, there is an argument to reduce them.
TFI is not promoting a legimate connection. I’d say there is an imperative to change that, not just an argument to do so.
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Which on the face of it you would think is a disadvantage (lack of flexibility), but I believe in the Irish political/planning/transport landscape is a big advantage.

In Ireland, systems that have flexibility quickly get abused due to political pressure. Ah, sure redirect that bus off the motorway into a little estate to pick up a handful of OAPs, shure it will only take 2 minutes. Before long you have major routes turned into magical mystery tours of every estate along the way!

Or cancel bus lane changes so we can squeeze a few cars and taxis through (e.g. quays) due to pressure from car parks, etc.

I think Luas brings with it a certain gravity that effects all transport and infrastructure around it that buses just can't do.

Also the people of Dublin love Luas, which makes objections from car park owners, etc. harder to push through.
Indeed. In a previous life on Boards I started a thread called ‘Luaswatch’ during the construction phase of the Red and Green lines. It was remarkable just how many boardsies banged on about White Elephants and whatnot then. Instead, people used Luas and generally loved it. It works.

Who would go back to the multiple, infrequent A, B and C route variations of stuffy, condensation filled buses winding interminably around four to an acre housing estates as the model for urban living and transport in Dublin?
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Supposedly the new route (40L) will start from Tyrrelstown through Ballycoolin and Finglas West.
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Supposedly the new route (40L) will start from Tyrrelstown through Ballycoolin and Finglas West.
So it will mirror the 40D for a large part of the route.. I used the 40D for 18 months to go from Glasnevin to Ballycoolin and it was painful.. If it wasn’t traffic on the north road in Finglas try to turn into Finglas village (for PSO/ lobbying reasons I guess) it was traffic at the junction near cappagh hospital..
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Finglas to Broombridge is a 12 min cycle. They should consider facilitating more cyclists.
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Indeed. In a previous life on Boards I started a thread called ‘Luaswatch’ during the construction phase of the Red and Green lines. It was remarkable just how many boardsies banged on about White Elephants and whatnot then. Instead, people used Luas and generally loved it. It works.

Who would go back to the multiple, infrequent A, B and C route variations of stuffy, condensation filled buses winding interminably around four to an acre housing estates as the model for urban living and transport in Dublin?
There was an IT story about the Port Tunnel recently and they interveiwed Bertie he recalled all the hysterical letters about white elephants and people predicting their houses would fall into the ground because of the tunneling etc

This magical mystery tour thing that existed mostly before Network Direct in DB, politicos still try to pull that one out. I saw it with RBB and the changes to the 7 they were just strengthening it out to get it out of housing estates and onto main roads, and in some of the areas if you actually look at the street at ground level it's amazing a double decker bus can maneuver in it the estates are that tight in turns etc

The 45a still has an utterly hilarious detour that it does like twice a day where it suddenly veers off the Bray road at Scoil Mhuire in shankill all the way down into Rathsallagh estate, down to the end of the estate, over a bridge, down into Shanganagh, all the way down to the coast (yep! ) then does a meandering through Shangangah that would literally make you dizzy, picks up 3-4 people there, and all the way back out again. I was on the 45a one time and this happened and I thought 'oh my God the guys lost! where the f*** are we going????'
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