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"Book readers" - Season 8 Episode 6 "The Iron Throne" - Spoilers post 2 forward

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  • #212
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    Ok let's say he's just regular old Jon Snow, bastard of Ned Stark and some random woman. Goes to the wall (which yeah now i think about it, probably would have happened anyway) etc etc.

    Then where's Lyanna?

    Married to Robert? Then where's Cersei? Who pushes Bran out a window?

    Not married to Robert, tells the truth, undermines the whole rebellion?

    Never ran off with Rhaegar? Then where's the rebellion, who's on the throne? Ok there's a good chance Aerys would have been rebelled against anyway but who knows when and how.

    Him being in existence, as a Stark x Targaryen has set the whole thing in motion before the audience even arrives.

    I mean if we're getting to the point of "if Jon Snow were just a bastard but Lyanna had died in childbirth anyways and.." then we're really in if my auntie had a bollocks territory!


  • #213
    TerrorFirmer
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    Well, in the context of it being a show in which Jon Snow was genuinely just Ned's bastard, there are two options. We'd still be assuming that Lyanna had run away with Rhaegar, kick starting the war.

    a) Lyanna has a child that isn't Jon - that though may require some slight reworking of the plot if it were to be relevant to matters going forward. Or not, if it wasn't. Come to think of it, rather than being Roberts bastard, Gendry Baratheon could easily slot in here as Aegon Targaryen, unaware of his true heritage.

    His lineage in the actual show has very little bearing on the plot or the ultimate outcome either.

    b) Lyanna has no child but dies/is pregnant but dies at the Tower of Joy at the end of the war anyway - could have no relevance to the plot (eg, kills herself after learning Rhaegar has fallen at the Trident) or a lot of relevance later on down the line (a foul-play death akin to the Mountain killing Elia Martell and Oberyn's subsequent quest years later to find justice, just in a different format/plot direction)

    Either way though, the story could easily progress more or less the same as it in the show with Jon being plain old Jon Snow/Stark. It's not really until the end of S7/through the short S8 that it has any real bearing on the plot and even then they kept it largely quite simple.


  • #214
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,005 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    TerrorFirmer wrote: »
    Well, in the context of it being a show in which Jon Snow was genuinely just Ned's bastard, there are two options. We'd still be assuming that Lyanna had run away with Rhaegar, kick starting the war.

    a) Lyanna has a child that isn't Jon - that though may require some slight reworking of the plot if it were to be relevant to matters going forward. Or not, if it wasn't. Come to think of it, rather than being Roberts bastard, Gendry Baratheon could easily slot in here as Aegon Targaryen, unaware of his true heritage.

    His lineage in the actual show has very little bearing on the plot or the ultimate outcome either.

    b) Lyanna has no child but dies/is pregnant but dies at the Tower of Joy at the end of the war anyway - could have no relevance to the plot (eg, kills herself after learning Rhaegar has fallen at the Trident) or a lot of relevance later on down the line (a foul-play death akin to the Mountain killing Elia Martell and Oberyn's subsequent quest years later to find justice, just in a different format/plot direction)

    Either way though, the story could easily progress more or less the same as it in the show with Jon being plain old Jon Snow/Stark. It's not really until the end of S7/through the short S8 that it has any real bearing on the plot and even then they kept it largely quite simple.

    I think you can make the claim that you can write your way around nearly every plot line or backstory in the show and go as far as to write out most non-central characters and still make the story function, however by doing that it will generally take away from the overall quality.

    For someone who was very vocal about not being happy with the amount of development of Dany's turn, this seems like a strange argument to make.


  • #215
    Tired Gardener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Tired Gardener


    Meh.

    Hard to muster any strong feelings towards the end, I find that my investment in the show fell off this season.

    D&D will no doubt destroy what is left of Star Wars.

    Glad they aren't involved in the upcoming Dune film.

    Will be nice to see how GRRM makes the ending palatable, that is if he actually does the next two books.


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