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    #92
    Jizique
    Registered Users Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Treppen wrote: »
    I think they meant Covid could kill you.

    No, they should have written it then; and when this was pointed out, they didn’t correct it.


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    #93
    Jizique
    Registered Users Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭Jizique


    juneg wrote: »
    Thank you. Its actually a classic bullying line to be told if you don't like it quit your job or go elsewhere.

    You have a very wide definition of bullying


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    #94
    juneg
    Registered Users Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭juneg


    Jizique wrote: »
    You have a very wide definition of bullying

    Maybe you should broaden your own?


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    #95
    acequion
    Registered Users Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭acequion


    s1ippy wrote: »
    I can't believe there are actually luddites out there who are annoyed with teachers, they really must be dense individuals to direct their anger that way. .

    I completely agree s1ippy but such individuals are out there in droves.

    Nature abhors a vacuum. There is a baser instinct in human nature that needs a hate group to bash. All down through the ages some group of unfortunates have been the target.

    Thankfully society has evolved enormously and hate is no longer tolerated. But the instinct is still there. And more socially acceptable to hate groups who are not unfortunate, who are somehow perceived as privileged and don't dare remove that perception!

    Teachers and politicians are pretty much the new hate targets. That's why arguing with the drove of ignorant people who have that bias and that hate is a total waste of time.


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    #96
    TheDriver
    Registered Users Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    reminder to all that this forum and all threads therein are for the discussion of teaching and learning. There can also be discussion about pay and conditions if it is constructive. This is not a forum for non education staff to moan about teachers pay or conditions, that's After Hours, plenty over there who love that stuff


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    #97
    teachinggal123
    Registered Users Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    juneg wrote: »
    Thank you. Its actually a classic bullying line to be told if you don't like it quit your job or go elsewhere.

    I had to laugh out loud at this.

    I’ve been told this by many of the teachers on this forum when I had the audacity to say that some teachers have been doing very little work since 12 March!!


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    #98
    teachinggal123
    Registered Users Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    We should all be using the next few weeks to update our IT and blended learning skills instead of moaning that we have no skills and training.

    There are plenty of courses and tutorials available for free.

    No excuse not to. This will be the future of teaching.


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    #99
    acequion
    Registered Users Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭acequion


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    We should all be using the next few weeks to update our IT and blended learning skills instead of moaning that we have no skills and training.

    There are plenty of courses and tutorials available for free.

    No excuse not to. This will be the future of teaching.

    Why should we do that? As in do it over the next few weeks? Are we not entitled to any down time in your opinion?


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    #100
    teachinggal123
    Registered Users Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    acequion wrote: »
    Why should we do that? As in do it over the next few weeks? Are we not entitled to any down time in your opinion?

    Of course we are entitled to downtime but do you not think we have a professional responsibility to up skill and get ready for this new normal?

    Or would you rather have 10 more weeks downtime and not be ready in case there is blended learning come September?


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    #101
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,475 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    We should all be using the next few weeks to update our IT and blended learning skills instead of moaning that we have no skills and training.

    There are plenty of courses and tutorials available for free.

    No excuse not to. This will be the future of teaching.

    Most of my teaching colleagues have “ upskilled ” - how else would we have been engaging with our students otherwise since closure ? I find your comment rather patronizing.


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    #102
    teachinggal123
    Registered Users Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    Most of my teaching colleagues have “ upskilled ” - how else would we have been engaging with our students otherwise since closure ? I find your comment rather patronizing.

    There are teachers on this very thread saying they have poor IT skills.

    What do you think they should do?


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    #103
    acequion
    Registered Users Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭acequion


    I've already worked two weeks into my normal holiday time. I also worked an average 10 hour days,with maybe 6 thrown in on a Saturday after schools closed on 12th March,plus worked during Easter to upskill.

    So yes I will now take the downtime that is part of the normal terms and conditions of my job or is "professional responsibility" now working during holidays?

    I expect my employer, like all employers, to provide the necessary training during work time. Just as I expect safety on the job.

    Sorry if that doesn't suit your obvious agenda with this line. And I won't be drawn into an off topic argument on teacher holidays with somebody who I'm not convinced is really a teacher, for the enjoyment of a certain cohort of poster.


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    #104
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Why the hysteria?

    Just see how other countries get on( many will be open in July and August abroad) and then go with the best strategy.


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    #105
    teachinggal123
    Registered Users Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    acequion wrote: »
    I've already worked two weeks into my normal holiday time. I also worked an average 10 hour days,with maybe 6 thrown in on a Saturday after schools closed on 12th March,plus worked during Easter to upskill.

    So yes I will now take the downtime that is part of the normal terms and conditions of my job or is "professional responsibility" now working during holidays?

    I expect my employer, like all employers, to provide the necessary training during work time. Just as I expect safety on the job.

    Sorry if that doesn't suit your obvious agenda with this line. And I won't be drawn into an off topic argument on teacher holidays with somebody who I'm not convinced is really a teacher, for the enjoyment of a certain cohort of poster.

    That’s fair enough and I respect that. Although I don’t fully agree.

    No need for the less than subtle digs though ... we are all in this together.


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    #106
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    There are teachers on this very thread saying they have poor IT skills.

    What do you think they should do?

    Poor IT skills, in 2020? For someone with a 3rd level degree.

    Give me a break.

    And, Microsoft teams and Google classroom etc are fairly intuitive, and even the so called dinosaurs in our school had them mastered in a few hours.


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    #107
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users Posts: 15,381 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    I had to laugh out loud at this.

    I’ve been told this by many of the teachers on this forum when I had the audacity to say that some teachers have been doing very little work since 12 March!!

    No, you claimed no one in your school was doing any work except you of course, you wouldn't say if you were using google classroom or teams because you deemed it personal information that could identify you and then you played the gender card and called a regular poster creepy for challenging your bullsh*t.

    But it's important not to let facts get in the way of a good story.


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    #108
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    We should all be using the next few weeks to update our IT and blended learning skills instead of moaning that we have no skills and training.

    There are plenty of courses and tutorials available for free.

    No excuse not to. This will be the future of teaching.

    Yeah... No. Its my downtime. Family first.

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    #109
    teachinggal123
    Registered Users Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    rainbowtrout wrote: »
    No, you claimed no one in your school was doing any work except you of course, you wouldn't say if you were using google classroom or teams because you deemed it personal information that could identify you and then you played the gender card and called a regular poster creepy for challenging your bullsh*t.

    But it's important not to let facts get in the way of a good story.

    The FACT is that a significant number of teachers have done very little since 12 March. They have admitted it themselves on other threads. You know that very well but I can provide links if you’d like?

    But of course this doesn’t suit the narrative that all teachers have been working hard since March so you attack me.

    And yes, it is ridiculous and shameful that people - most with degrees and post grad qualifications - don’t know how to work fairly simple IT systems. And worse again that many are refusing to do anything about this themselves before back to work in September.


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    #110
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,161 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    TheValeyard wrote: »
    Yeah... No. Its my downtime. Family first.

    What have you been doing the last few months?


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    #111
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    What have you been doing the last few months?

    Teaching, up skilling, conference calls, raising my owns kids at the same time, correcting tests, keeping to my timetable as best I could. I did my hours, I did my job, I was working late in the evening and earlier in the morning to get the digital needs together.


    I've done enough. I will not be doing any more. Holiday time.

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    #112
    amacca
    Registered Users Posts: 6,754 ✭✭✭amacca


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    The FACT is that a significant number of teachers have done very little since 12 March. They have admitted it themselves on other threads. You know that very well but I can provide links if you’d like?

    But of course this doesn’t suit the narrative that all teachers have been working hard since March so you attack me.

    And yes, it is ridiculous and shameful that people - most with degrees and post grad qualifications - don’t know how to work fairly simple IT systems. And worse again that many are refusing to do anything about this themselves before back to work in September.

    Way to dodge .... masterful almost


    Define significant .... you seem to be taking the word of unverified posters on s forum as statistically? Significant

    It's similar to lending any credence to your posts tbh


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    #113
    Random sample
    Registered Users Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭Random sample


    What courses would you recommend teachinggal? Which system do you think works best?

    Our staff have all become very proficient in online education between March and May. I expect management to ask us to all use the same system in September though, so there will be more learning needed then for some of us.


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    #114
    Bobtheman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,640 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    The FACT is that a significant number of teachers have done very little since 12 March. They have admitted it themselves on other threads. You know that very well but I can provide links if you’d like?

    But of course this doesn’t suit the narrative that all teachers have been working hard since March so you attack me.

    And yes, it is ridiculous and shameful that people - most with degrees and post grad qualifications - don’t know how to work fairly simple IT systems. And worse again that many are refusing to do anything about this themselves before back to work in September.

    This person should be banned. Not a teacher..just a parent with an axe to grind


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    #115
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    teachinggal123 wrote: »
    The FACT is that a significant number of teachers have done very little since 12 March. They have admitted it themselves on other threads. You know that very well but I can provide links if you’d like?

    But of course this doesn’t suit the narrative that all teachers have been working hard since March so you attack me.

    And yes, it is ridiculous and shameful that people - most with degrees and post grad qualifications - don’t know how to work fairly simple IT systems. And worse again that many are refusing to do anything about this themselves before back to work in September.

    Rainbow trout was not attacking you. He was providing a balanced look at that thread where a mod asked you not to be throwing out accusations of bullying and not to post again.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058071593&page=36


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    #116
    oyvey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭oyvey


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    This person should be banned. Not a teacher..just a parent with an axe to grind

    Banned because you don't like what they're saying? Grow up. And people don't have to be teachers to have an opinion about them. There's more perspectives in this world than just your own.


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    Pkiernan
    Registered Users Posts: 4,315 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    Random sample wrote: »
    What courses would you recommend teachinggal? Which system do you think works best?

    Our staff have all become very proficient in online education between March and May. I expect management to ask us to all use the same system in September though, so there will be more learning needed then for some of us.

    One email a week from my kids teacher.
    I'd be embarrassed.


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    #118
    teachinggal123
    Registered Users Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    I am just saying that *in my experience* that a lot of teachers have done very little since 12 March.

    This is backed up by teachers themselves in other threads. It is also my experience in my school.

    Anyone who wishes can disagree, but the FACTS (from other teachers themselves and not just me) would say that I’m correct.

    As mentioned, I am happy to provide links to these other teachers if anyone doubts me.


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    teachinggal123
    Registered Users Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    Pkiernan wrote: »
    One email a week from my kids teacher.
    I'd be embarrassed.

    This is what my local primary school did. Teaches uncontactable otherwise.


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    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Pkiernan wrote: »
    One email a week from my kids teacher.
    I'd be embarrassed.

    That does not represent all teachers. I got the same from one of my kids teachers and bollicked the school over it because it is unacceptable. I got more interaction from the learning support teacher than the class teacher.

    I am doing a min of 10 hours a day between correcting, planning, writing up worksheets, finding appropriate videos to reinforce the concept I am teaching, online meetings, ringing parents, checking on kids, chasing kids who delete the work etc.


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    teachinggal123
    Registered Users Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    Random sample wrote: »
    What courses would you recommend teachinggal? Which system do you think works best?

    Our staff have all become very proficient in online education between March and May. I expect management to ask us to all use the same system in September though, so there will be more learning needed then for some of us.

    I’m on my mobile now but I’ll get back to you when I’m at my computer later.


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