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06-12-2019, 11:26   #46
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The subs i'd agree with you on. It's already authorised so it shouldn't require the "full monty".

However renewals, as we call them and Sika98 pointed out above, are actually re-applications. By law that means only a Super/Chief Super can authorise them as we are applying to have the firearm granted albeit again.
Ah yes, ok. Renewals are new applications per say so yes I can see why the Super is needed to sign off on them again. I think we do have one of the strictest or restrictive licencing systems in the EU? I am all for firearm safety, I do like and understand why certain checks need to be done etc, its just the waiting times that I cant get my head around.
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Quick update for anyone still wondering:

The superintendent wants to question me so yes I wonder what that will be like.
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Quick update for anyone still wondering:

The superintendent wants to question me so yes I wonder what that will be like.
Routine enough had to go in twice myself over a pistol and a lever action .357. was to the chief super in naas though not the super nintendo in the local station.

Have your facts straight and and be persistent and dont take any **** and you will he grand
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Routine enough had to go in twice myself over a pistol and a lever action .357. was to the chief super in naas though not the super nintendo in the local station.

Have your facts straight and and be persistent and dont take any **** and you will he grand



I presume the usual questions of why in the heck do you require such a weapon of mass destruction and why cant an alternate less dangerous looking firearm be chosen, would apply?
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Have your solicitor accompany you during the interview and record it. I know it sounds a bit over the top but it sends a clear message that you won't be messed with.

If the super is applying the law properly he will have no problem with someone with legal knowledge attending.
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I agree with the above, I was asked in before for a quick "informal" chat a few years ago with a different Super. So off I trot and find myself sitting in a room with the Super and 2 Sergeants, an hour later we were done. So yes I would either record it or bring someone.
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Ah yes, ok. Renewals are new applications per say so yes I can see why the Super is needed to sign off on them again. I think we do have one of the strictest or restrictive licencing systems in the EU? I am all for firearm safety, I do like and understand why certain checks need to be done etc, its just the waiting times that I cant get my head around.
It would be a great help if [1] we liscense the man and not the gun [2] overhaul the PULSE system to deal with this properly,or [3] Go to an utterly civillian based liscense system,with aGS only performing backround checks and final Yea/nay by the respective ranks after reading your report from your local FO. and [4] Do away with multiple credit card bits of paper,and go to one Smart card system that records all your pertint firearms info,and allows over the counter transactions,and like for like trades...But this IS Ireland...
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I presume the usual questions of why in the heck do you require such a weapon of mass destruction and why cant an alternate less dangerous looking firearm be chosen, would apply?
Yeah pretty much but in my case it was a why cant you just stick with the clay pigeons and shotgun will that not do ya.
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I agree with the above, I was asked in before for a quick "informal" chat a few years ago with a different Super. So off I trot and find myself sitting in a room with the Super and 2 Sergeants, an hour later we were done. So yes I would either record it or bring someone.
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It would be a great help if [1] we liscense the man and not the gun [2] overhaul the PULSE system to deal with this properly,or [3] Go to an utterly civillian based liscense system,with aGS only performing backround checks and final Yea/nay by the respective ranks after reading your report from your local FO. and [4] Do away with multiple credit card bits of paper,and go to one Smart card system that records all your pertint firearms info,and allows over the counter transactions,and like for like trades...But this IS Ireland...
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Yeah pretty much but in my case it was a why cant you just stick with the clay pigeons and shotgun will that not do ya.



I'll do my best to record it and maybe post it here if you guys would be interested?
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I'll do my best to record it and maybe post it here if you guys would be interested?
Yeah cool but I dont know about the legality of that or if they realise it might not be impressed
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I wouldn't record it per se,without everyones permission presenr.Which they wont give anyway.They might say something they will regret later,and you doing it covertly breaks all sorts of privacy and dpa rules.
Best thing is a 3rd party witness,or you need to transcribe as much as possible of the conversation.
But names ,rank and who present at the meeting.
Dont rise to insults ,or be cowed by intimidatory tactics either.They want a response put of you ,if it happens,so they can report you as being unfit to liscense.Be pofessional ,be polite,and have in your own mind for the letter you will send to the GO to complain all present if their conduct is less than becoming of superior officers of the law.

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I'll do my best to record it and maybe post it here if you guys would be interested?
I won't pretend to understand all the data protection or GDPR related laws, but i know enough to say that cannot happen.

Record it if you want, but it cannot be "broadcast" here. You can, afaik, give a first person account, leaving out names, etc. (stick to rank), and how you got on, but any recordings or communication must have the person(s) involved permission to not only record but also to publicise.
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Whilst I would think that it would be unwise to publish such a recording on boards, it is legal in Ireland to make an audio recording of someone provided one person in the conversation has consented to it. That can be yourself of course.

Consent from all parties in the conversation is not required.

You could record the meeting covertly if you do so wish but I would only be keeping this for yourself or your legal council.
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Just checked up on the law and i think i have it.

You can record someone without their knowledge so long as you are a party to the conversation. If you are a third party that is NOT involved then it's illegal (without a warrant, etc. ala An Gardaí).

So as said above it's legal to do so, but i must stress it cannot be broadcast here [Boards.ie] but a first hand/person account can be if you want to update the thread on your progress. However in keeping with the "accusations against named individuals" rule, keep it to rank.

I'm telling ya, if its this hard to just tell each other a few stories or events imagine the harm if the proposed "hate speech" laws they want to bring in would cause.
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I wouldn't record it per se,without everyones permission presenr.Which they wont give anyway.They might say something they will regret later,and you doing it covertly breaks all sorts of privacy and dpa rules.
Best thing is a 3rd party witness,or you need to transcribe as much as possible of the conversation.
But names ,rank and who present at the meeting.
Dont rise to insults ,or be cowed by intimidatory tactics either.They want a response put of you ,if it happens,so they can report you as being unfit to liscense.Be pofessional ,be polite,and have in your own mind for the letter you will send to the GO to complain all present if their conduct is less than becoming of superior officers of the law.
You can also request a "Subject Access Data Request" of the conversation under Data Protection, which should be a transcript of your conversation.

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