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11-11-2018, 23:49   #1
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Rank Irish political parties on their willingness to discriminate against men/similar

I am not happy with the following proposal put forward by a Fine Gael minister

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Funds for women-only professorships aim to end gender inequality
Government to back roles in third level institutions at cost of €6 million
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/educ...lity-1.3693939


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Employment experts say if the process is successful, the practice could well extend to other areas of the public sector where there is an under-representation of women.
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Fears over 'jobs for the girls' backlash as High Education Minister to create professor posts 'only for women' to end bias
https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-37514739.html

Ideally I would prefer not to vote for political parties who support such discrimination against men.

I don't follow Irish politics that closely. I wonder which parties people consider are most likely to discriminate against men or alternatively, are least likely to discriminate against men.
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All four major parties will happily do it because it will gain votes from women and won't lose them from men.
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12-11-2018, 17:03   #3
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The political parties that are overwhelmingly made up of men?
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The political parties that are overwhelmingly made up of men?
Yup. Read it again. If it wins votes from women and doesn't lose them from men, it's a winner for all the male politicians
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I am not happy with the following proposal put forward by a Fine Gael minister

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/educ...lity-1.3693939


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https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-37514739.html

Ideally I would prefer not to vote for political parties who support such discrimination against men.

I don't follow Irish politics that closely. I wonder which parties people consider are most likely to discriminate against men or alternatively, are least likely to discriminate against men.
I thought I would leave it 24 hours before posting any opinions.

I am very suspicious of Labour on this issue.
I remember that they were the first people to bring in gender quotas/targets in the 1990s under Mervyn Taylor. As I recall, the Education minister Niamh Breathnach was quite zealous on this issue e.g. if I recall correctly, the president of the student union in NUIG wasn't let sit on the governing board of the college for 6 months because he was male and the gender quota/target wasn't reached.

In the last number of years, Ivana Bacik has been prominent and I think she would be quite willing to push for gender quotas/targets and probably all sorts of other things like women-only positions. I believe she was the main person behind the gender quotas/targets for political parties. I get the impression most politicians would be wary of challenging her and her proposals, except on traditional issues like abortion. Though I do remember now that one one Labour TD, Joanne Tuffy, was willing to speak up to say that she wasn't happy with gender quotas/targets for politicians.

Labour's last alternative budget had a section for women, and I think they have had something similar before regarding the budget and/or a section on helping women in their manifestoes, without having any similar section on men.
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In the last number of years, Ivana Bacik has been prominent and I think she would be quite willing to push for gender quotas/targets and probably all sorts of other things like women-only positions. I believe she was the main person behind the gender quotas/targets for political parties. I get the impression most politicians would be wary of challenging her and her proposals, except on traditional issues like abortion.
Not long after I posted this article by her went online supporting the women-only professorships:
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I'm cautious about Zappone. Represented by Bacik - for free - in her bid to have her marriage recognised in the Rep.; nominated to the Senate by Gilmore or Rabbitte. Former CEO or Chairman of the Natl Women's Council and here she is with a Ministerial position after a very short run as an Independent TD (Labour in everything but name maybe?) One way or another, she owes them big.
Mightn't be as overt as other Lab. but i've no doubt she pushes the agends...Labour Lite.
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Maybe it'd be easier to list politicians who have opposed any discriminatory policies rather than scaling parties on their acquiescence?
I haven't heard of any Minister/T.D. speak against the proposed female-only positions; all parties have embraced gender quotas and the criminalising of the 'purchaser of sex only' legislation passed easily. I must check and see who voted against it/abstained.

Local elections are next year I think; I must get a few questions ready for the geeks looking for election.
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Maybe it'd be easier to list politicians who have opposed any discriminatory policies rather than scaling parties on their acquiescence?
I haven't heard of any Minister/T.D. speak against the proposed female-only positions; all parties have embraced gender quotas and the criminalising of the 'purchaser of sex only' legislation passed easily. I must check and see who voted against it/abstained.

Local elections are next year I think; I must get a few questions ready for the geeks looking for election.
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Did some reading on Kildare St.com and i could only find that a few Independent T.D.'s opposed, or tried debating the Bill. (Couldn't find out who they were).
The bulk of the Bill focused on solicitation of minors, so to oppose such a Bill could be disastrous for one's reputation.

I read someone elses reading of the Bill and she says it is directed at decriminalising female prostitutes only.
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THE TAOISEACH HAS said there is an “epidemic of violence against women” and the government is working to put measures in place to stop it.

Leo Varadkar was speaking after a special Cabinet meeting for International Women’s Day
https://www.thejournal.ie/istanbul-c...29128-Mar2019/

I don't recall a special Cabinet meeting for International Men's Day and I don't expect we will have one this year, either.
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An "epidemic"?!
Leo must owe the feminist lobby group big-time. He supports every single topic they bring up.
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An "epidemic"?!
Leo must owe the feminist lobby group big-time. He supports every single topic they bring up.
Harris was at a White Ribbon event on International Mens Day...White Ribbon is an organisation that raises awareness of male on female violence.

In the case of non reciprocal domestic violence, that is one partner abusing the other, 70% of it is female on male....he couldn't even acknowledge it.

Harris and Varadkar have been walked all over by the many women's issues lobby groups, which are tax payer funded.
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1. Social Democrats - while soft left as opposed to the far left of PBP, it's middle class college educated urban women who dominate the feminist industry and the soc dems are middle class to their fingertips

2. Labour, as similar as identical twins to the soc dems, they might be ever so slightly less likely to support the social media left wing set

3. Greens

4. Solidarity

5..fianna fail, Michael Martin is considerably more to the left than Leo and is always keen to get on board with the latest liberal campaign

6. Fine gael, only positioned behind FF by virtue of the fact that fianna fail are followers, not leaders

All of them will discriminate in order to keep the media quiet
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I saw this event trending on Twitter today:
#FeministEurope
https://twitter.com/NWCI/status/1118202972641681408
https://twitter.com/AlexWhite4EU/sta...98890111610882
https://twitter.com/NWCI/status/1118209597028872193

This follows the presidential election where I recall a piece, organised again by the National Women's Council of Ireland if I recall correctly, where the candidates were asked whether they were feminists or something similar. All of them said they were except Peter Casey.
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