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15-10-2020, 11:57   #1
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Options for enforcing no parking on a private road

we live in a small estate / private road, circa 20 houses or so,

the estate wasnt and wont be taken over by the council, so we the residents have a management company and we pay a management fee for the management of the common areas.

Strangely even though a condition of planning was that the council wouldnt take the estate over, nor would they allow gates.

This has meant that from time to time people decide to use our private road as a place to park when collecting kids from a nearby school or visiting nearby houses.

the residents would like to prevent this as it can make access and exit dangerous and also there are a number of children in the estate so we would prefer non residents or visitors not to make a habit of driving in.

We are going to put up some more signs reminding people that its private land but what are our options regards clamping and has anyone engaged a private clamping co in this kind of scenario ?

All of the houses have their own driveways by the way its not a communal parking scenario.
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we live in a small estate / private road, circa 20 houses or so,

the estate wasnt and wont be taken over by the council, so we the residents have a management company and we pay a management fee for the management of the common areas.

Strangely even though a condition of planning was that the council wouldnt take the estate over, nor would they allow gates.

This has meant that from time to time people decide to use our private road as a place to park when collecting kids from a nearby school or visiting nearby houses.

the residents would like to prevent this as it can make access and exit dangerous and also there are a number of children in the estate so we would prefer non residents or visitors not to make a habit of driving in.

We are going to put up some more signs reminding people that its private land but what are our options regards clamping and has anyone engaged a private clamping co in this kind of scenario ?

All of the houses have their own driveways by the way its not a communal parking scenario.
It is very common for the management companies of apartment blocks to engage clamping companies to prevent non-residents parking in the grounds of the complex. You could also look into the feasibility of putting in Pay and Display.
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It is very common for the management companies of apartment blocks to engage clamping companies to prevent non-residents parking in the grounds of the complex. You could also look into the feasibility of putting in Pay and Display.
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pay and display wouldnt work i dont think,

the clamping service we would require would be more one where you could call a clamper and have them come rather than have them patrolling the area as such
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pay and display wouldnt work i dont think,

the clamping service we would require would be more one where you could call a clamper and have them come rather than have them patrolling the area as such
That is the way it is in most apartment schemes.
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Another option is for one of the actual residents to park their car out on the road and put a clamp on it themselves. Have signs up saying clamping in operation. When people come and see a clamped car, and signs up, they will piss off.
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I lived directly opposite a DART station for a good while, and a prominent sign reminding people they could be clamped with a picture of a clamp did the trick.
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pay and display wouldnt work i dont think,

the clamping service we would require would be more one where you could call a clamper and have them come rather than have them patrolling the area as such
If the cars are staying for only a short period, I’d see a few complications with clamping on a call out basis, principally that the car will have left before the clamper arrives and the clamper will want security of payment for each call put irrespective of whether there is a car to clamp.

IIRC where you are, it is not a main road so DLRCC should not be concerned with any gates creating tailbacks but the refusal will likely to have been a hatred of gated developments. Would it be worthwhile documenting the difficulties and making a new planning app for a car gate but leaving pedestrian access only.

A grumpy neighbour who is willing to “ticket” miscreants or otherwise engage with them might be a possibility. I would worry that a clamping contract is just going to be impractical/costly.
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If the cars are staying for only a short period, I’d see a few complications with clamping on a call out basis, principally that the car will have left before the clamper arrives and the clamper will want security of payment for each call put irrespective of whether there is a car to clamp.

IIRC where you are, it is not a main road so DLRCC should not be concerned with any gates creating tailbacks but the refusal will likely to have been a hatred of gated developments. Would it be worthwhile documenting the difficulties and making a new planning app for a car gate but leaving pedestrian access only.

A grumpy neighbour who is willing to “ticket” miscreants or otherwise engage with them might be a possibility. I would worry that a clamping contract is just going to be impractical/costly.
thats a good point actually. and you are right we could easily have gates without any impact on the road / traffic but its this irrational hatred of gated developments despite their requirement not to take them in charge themselves is the issue.

at various times people have pointed out to people that this isnt a public road and they cant park, some move on, other let their dogs out for a run to leave their mess and then head off, which isnt ideal with kids playing
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Can you put in remote control bollards or a barrier?
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I'd a similar issue near a school, it is extremely annoying when people rock up, block driveways and generally increase traffic in a normally quiet area. What we did was get parking notices printed up on stickers (you know the kind that are very difficult to get off) and take it in turns to go around in the evenings, if there was someone sitting in the car you'd just hand them the notice and say "Oh thank god you're in the car, I'd hate to have to put it on your window they are very difficult to get off if they get wet", if the drivers challenge you just say "there's been reports of children nearly being knocked down so we have to do something", after a few weeks of this it'll sort itself out for the price of a bit of printing although you might have to do it again every September for a bit to remind people.
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Can you put in remote control bollards or a barrier?
a barrier is not really the look we are after but the bollards could be an idea, but would require planning so i wonder how they would react to that!
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Who actually owns the road? I would look into the legals around clamping people's cars - there are various requirements around signage etc.
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Who actually owns the road? I would look into the legals around clamping people's cars - there are various requirements around signage etc.
the residents, and yes im aware that there are requirements around signage
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we live in a small estate / private road, circa 20 houses or so,

the estate wasnt and wont be taken over by the council, so we the residents have a management company and we pay a management fee for the management of the common areas.

Strangely even though a condition of planning was that the council wouldnt take the estate over, nor would they allow gates.

This has meant that from time to time people decide to use our private road as a place to park when collecting kids from a nearby school or visiting nearby houses.

the residents would like to prevent this as it can make access and exit dangerous and also there are a number of children in the estate so we would prefer non residents or visitors not to make a habit of driving in.

We are going to put up some more signs reminding people that its private land but what are our options regards clamping and has anyone engaged a private clamping co in this kind of scenario ?

All of the houses have their own driveways by the way its not a communal parking scenario.
i assume the school run is the same time every day
Have the clampers lie in wait at the usual time
Clampers will not mind if they get 10 or so cars in a 15 min spell
One or two days of that and they will soon get the message
Ask the management company to look into the legalities
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We have clamping in our private estate on a call out basis. No permits but people were parking on paths, against walls, in the turning space. They don't any more!
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