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Club Championships 2019-20

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    #212
    Hawkeye9212
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    jr86 wrote: »
    The football second half was actually decent enough to watch imo, after an awful first half

    Plenty drama and some good hard hits.

    Glenties will surely win the Ulster final though

    I still thought there was a lot of sloppy play and poor decision making but it was certainly an improvement on the first.


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    #213
    DDC1990
    Registered Users Posts: 10,361 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    mountgomery burns wrote:
    I thought I read that if Crokes drew with East Kerry they would have been represented Kerry even if they lost the replay?


    Actually I have that whole situation arseways.

    Legion were in the final against South Kerry not Crokes. And Dingle had Already won the club Championship. So Legion were nominated instead of Dingle despite the Final not having not taken place. There was big controversy about it. Especially after Legion were beaten in both the Munster Championship and the County Final.


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    #214
    conor05
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    Stevecw wrote: »
    Painful to watch. Especially after seeing such an amazing game of hurling before it.

    I can never watch a game of football after a game of hurling.
    Way too slow and laboured


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    #215
    Redsoxfan
    Registered Users Posts: 5,243 ✭✭✭Redsoxfan


    jr86 wrote:
    Glenties will surely win the Ulster final though


    Not a given by any stretch.


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    #216
    manofwisdom
    Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭manofwisdom


    jr86 wrote: »
    The football second half was actually decent enough to watch imo, after an awful first half

    Plenty drama and some good hard hits.

    Glenties will surely win the Ulster final though

    Might be favourites but I wouldn't rule out any team managed by Mickey Moran.


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    #217
    dr.kenneth noisewater
    Registered Users Posts: 5,635 ✭✭✭dr.kenneth noisewater


    Gael85 wrote:
    The amount of players ducking into tackles and going down holding ther head like they been close lined. Happening in both football and hurling. GAA need to clamp down on this playacting as someday a referee will fail to stop for someone who is genuinely seriously injured.


    It's impossible for 1 man to referee a game these days imo, trialling 2 refs should be trialled asap in both football and hurling.


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    #218
    Mantis Toboggan
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    dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »
    It's impossible for 1 man to referee a game these days imo, trialling 2 refs should be trialled asap in both football and hurling.

    1 referee, 2 linesman, 4 umpires. Its not more referees that's needed just a bit of communication between those already there.

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    #219
    Poor_old_gill
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    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    1 referee, 2 linesman, 4 umpires. Its not more referees that's needed just a bit of communication between those already there.

    People keep on saying this, and while i agree with you in theory , but nothing has changed in terms of level of officiating.

    Second ref has to be introduced at this stage


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    #220
    dr.kenneth noisewater
    Registered Users Posts: 5,635 ✭✭✭dr.kenneth noisewater


    Mantis Toboggan wrote:
    1 referee, 2 linesman, 4 umpires. Its not more referees that's needed just a bit of communication between those already there.


    Umpires are usually relatives/friends of the ref and not proper officials in my eyes, fair play they're volunteering but most just want to get through a game without incident and abuse.
    Linesmen at club level are just someone
    from each club so the ref wont trust them, at county level they're referees who want the man in the middles job so are happy to let things go.
    I actually think 2 referee's would remove the need for 4 umpires if they were given a half each


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    #221
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Because of the relationship between refs and umpires, the ref is sometimes reluctant to embarrass the umpires if they make a bad decision. I do slag them but it is job I dreaded doing as not always easy to tell and worst abuse I got was from own club mates when I called a 45 as a sideline, which it was! Corner forward went to give me a dig :-)


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    #222
    PTH2009
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    Hopefully the weather doesn't affect some of the weekends games

    Pitchs in Pairc ui rinn and Fraher field dont hold up well with rain


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    #223
    mountgomery burns
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    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Hopefully the weather doesn't affect some of the weekends games

    Pitchs in Pairc ui rinn and Fraher field dont hold up well with rain

    Two of the best surfaces in the province?


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    #224
    beggars_bush
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    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    1 referee, 2 linesman, 4 umpires. Its not more referees that's needed just a bit of communication between those already there.

    Linesman and umpires cannot award a decision afaik during play


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    #225
    threeball
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    beggars_bush wrote: »
    Linesman and umpires cannot award a decision afaik during play

    They can't as it stands but they should be allowed to contact the ref and call his attention to foul play. If players knew there were six sets of eyes on them then they'd be alot more cautious about trying to pull a fast one.


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    #226
    dr.kenneth noisewater
    Registered Users Posts: 5,635 ✭✭✭dr.kenneth noisewater


    threeball wrote:
    They can't as it stands but they should be allowed to contact the ref and call his attention to foul play. If players knew there were six sets of eyes on them then they'd be alot more cautious about trying to pull a fast one.


    That's fine at intercounty but most club games dont have neutral linesmen


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    #227
    PTH2009
    Registered Users Posts: 37,763 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Should they put the Galway senior hurling champs into Leinster and maybe have something like an all Ireland qf with both Munster vs Leinster runners up and winner advances to all Ireland semi finals to face one of the provincial champs ???

    Put it simple

    Galway champs in Leinster

    All ireland QF- Munster runners up vs Leinster runners up

    All ireland semi finals (rotates each year)
    Leinster champs vs Ulster champs
    Munster champs vs QF winners


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    #228
    jr86
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    Or just leave it as is...

    With that format Borrisoleigh could lose to ballygunnar tomorrow but play them again in the next round...

    I personally think the Galway champs going into a semi is a non issue. It's never proven to give them an obvious advantage . Galway is a huge county in itself anyway with a large amount of hurling clubs, much more so than most other counties, so winning the championship can require winning more matches in total than other clubs who go on to win their county and province


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    #229
    mountgomery burns
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    jr86 wrote: »

    I personally think the Galway champs going into a semi is a non issue. It's never proven to give them an obvious advantage . Galway is a huge county in itself anyway with a large amount of hurling clubs, much more so than most other counties, so winning the championship can require winning more matches in total than other clubs who go on to win their county and province

    This is the classic case of not being able to see the wood from the trees. Of course it's an advantage. Throw Galway into Munster say and give Cork a bye to the semi final since I would hazard a guess they've more hurling clubs than anyone.

    Would you say then that Cork had an advantage?


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    #230
    jr86
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    No, not necessarily. As Cork clubs still wouldn't be good enough to win the AI semi final against the Munster or Leinster winner. Its an advantage in the sense they get further in the competition maybe but at the end of the day its about winning All Irelands. But hey while you mention Cork, isn't it lovely that you can lose your county final and still progress to Munster? The club championships always have little quirks its just the way it is

    Galway have only made one All Ireland final now in the last 6 years. And St Thomas's were damn lucky to do so against the Ulster Champions last year. So no there clearly isn't any advantage in terms of their All Ireland prospects, otherwise they'd be making finals and winning all Irelands far more regularly.


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    #231
    mountgomery burns
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    So the Galway winners have been average enough recently, therefore there is no advantage? An advantage is something that creates favourable and unequal conditions for them to succeed, that they cannot capitalize on it does not mean it doesn't exist.

    It's an advantage when you have good teams of a similar level competing for an all Ireland as has been the case in many years. If Galway and Cork had good teams near enough in standard, the Galway champions would have a big advantage by having to win up to 3 less games against County champions to win an all Ireland.


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    #232
    jr86
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    So this year Tipp champions only have to win 2 games to win Munster, while Waterford champs have to win 3. Leinster winners need to win more than Munster winners potentially also. Glen Rovers don't even need to win Cork to go through to the provincials, a luxury no other top county can afford. Antrim winners potentially only need to win one match in their province.

    There are advantages everywhere. Given there has been traditionally no obvious corelation between Galway getting a bye to the semis and winning All Irelands, I'd be willing to overlook this one for the time being as opposed to creating a daft format where you can lose your provincial final but get another swipe at the provincial winners 2 weeks later. If other counties don't like it, then reduce their number of senior teams so they don't have to play as many matches. The provincial teams Ballyhale have to beat this year wouldn't make the Galway quarter finals

    But who knows maybe you'll get your wish next year and the Galway winners will have to come through a province. Only 2 games away from Tooreen ensuring it happens


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    #233
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    I'll agree with you on one thing, the suggestion to give the Leinster/Munster runners up a second chance is daft.


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    #234
    jr86
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    mountgomery burns wrote: »
    I'll agree with you on one thing, the suggestion to give the Leinster/Munster runners up a second chance is daft.

    Look, the ideal format that suits everyone is a complete open draw.

    However I just can't see that happening anytime soon


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    #235
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users Posts: 17,652 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Absolutely an advantage to be guaranteed an all ireland semi every year. If you look at tipp, they've not had a representative in the final since 1993. In that time Antrim clubs have had 6 appearances and Galway 15 appearances in club finals.

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    #236
    [Deleted User]
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    mountgomery burns wrote: »
    I'll agree with you on one thing, the suggestion to give the Leinster/Munster runners up a second chance is daft.

    No more daft than the current setup.


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    #237
    jr86
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    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    Absolutely an advantage to be guaranteed an all ireland semi every year. If you look at tipp, they've not had a representative in the final since 1993. In that time Antrim clubs have had 6 appearances and Galway 15 appearances in club finals.

    Many of those would have been Portumna, probably the greatest club team ever

    Its all about wins anyway. Losing an All Ireland final vs Provincial final? Meh for me, but different strokes and all that


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    #238
    jr86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭jr86


    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    No more daft than the current setup.

    Haha be some craic if it was in force this year. Borris go and beat Ballygunnar tomorrow and they're basically guaranteed to have to beat them again in their next match :pac:


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    #239
    [Deleted User]
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    1-1 for Lillis in the last few minutes and he shouldn’t even be on the pitch after two dangerous high fouls.


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    #240
    castletownman
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    Eire Óg looked impressive, especially defensively. Thought Ross Dunphy got through a mountain of work up and down the field, and Jordan Morrissey carried the ball well too. Will be hard beaten now in the final. And I'm glad to see that my own club were at least competitive against them, as we scored more and lost by less than both Sarsfields and Portlaoise.


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    #241
    radharc
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    Both Sarsfields and Portlaoise only scored a point apiece in the second half versus Éire Og. When you consider Éire Og missed a penalty and a good few bad wides they could have given Portlaoise a right hammering.


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