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Hate crime? Really?

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    #152
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    yeah i always try to commit five hate crimes before breakfast

    It was neither a reference to you specifically, nor a reference to anyone on here actively committing, or even condoning, hate crimes.


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    #153
    Hal3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Hal3000


    We can never lose sight of the fact that humans are deeply deeply flawed creatures. Young teenage boys are on a different spectrum. Their brains are in a zone somewhere between Fraggle Rock and Hulk Hogan.

    They do stupid stuff all the time, to everyone including their own. It's hard not to for that girl, but I wouldn't look into it too much. It would probably have been the person after you just as easily.


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    #154
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Hal3000 wrote: »
    We can never lose sight of the fact that humans are deeply deeply flawed creatures. Young teenage boys are on a different spectrum. Their brains are in a zone somewhere between Fraggle Rock and Hulk Hogan.

    They do stupid stuff all the time, to everyone including their own. It's hard not to for that girl, but I wouldn't look into it too much. It would probably have been the person after you just as easily.
    Provided they were a dwarf of course.


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    #155
    Jamiekelly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭Jamiekelly


    Arghus wrote: »
    After Hours really sucks sometimes.

    Where have all the sound people gone and why have they been replaced with mean-spirited ejits?

    In the last 2-3 years AH has become a complete cesspool and threads like this one really show that. There are things that get said (and thanked) on this forum that would get the head kicked off some people if they were said on any main street in real life.


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    #156
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Jamiekelly wrote: »
    In the last 2-3 years AH has become a complete cesspool and threads like this one really show that. There are things that get said (and thanked) on this forum that would get the head kicked off some people if they were said on any main street in real life.

    Like all species the strongest survive. Anyone different from the herd will get picked on or treated different. It's primal man. All the virtue signalling in the world isn't going to change that


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    #157
    Arghus
    Registered Users Posts: 14,341 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Jamiekelly wrote: »
    In the last 2-3 years AH has become a complete cesspool and threads like this one really show that. There are things that get said (and thanked) on this forum that would get the head kicked off some people if they were said on any main street in real life.

    It's pretty depressing isn't it? Reading down the first page of responses earlier and it became clear that most people were interested in making cheap jokes at this woman's expense and being extremely pedantic about what constitutes a hate-crime.

    Jesus lads, have a bit of class.


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    #158
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Jamiekelly wrote: »
    In the last 2-3 years AH has become a complete cesspool and threads like this one really show that. There are things that get said (and thanked) on this forum that would get the head kicked off some people if they were said on any main street in real life.

    It was in actual main Street is actually where this woman was attacked. So I doubt that.

    What is interesting about these threads is that right and left swap. The lock em up and throw away the key are, if the crime is a hate crime, are in the left. Otherwise the right.

    I personally feel we can’t have a functioning multi cultural society without a tougher application of the laws regarding the anti social classes, but chance would be a fine thing.


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    #159
    Jamiekelly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭Jamiekelly


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Like all species the strongest survive. Anyone different from the herd will get picked on or treated different. It's primal man. All the virtue signalling in the world isn't going to change that

    Predictable. You should have thrown in the word libtard or cuck for good measure. :rolleyes:


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    #160
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Irene Grumpy Crystal wrote: »
    The way people are so eager to show how tough and edgy they are here is quite something to behold.

    A lot of the 'tough and edgy' people on the internet are afraid of the public.


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    #161
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    It was in actual main Street is actually where this woman was attacked. So I doubt that.
    Anonymous keyboard warriors are different to street sh1ts though.


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    #162
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,829 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I would personally describe this as a hate crime.

    The definition is
    A crime, typically one involving violence, that is motivated by prejudice on the basis of race, religion, sexual orientation, or other grounds.

    Sounds pretty much like a hate crime to me.
    Horrible thing for the poor woman to have to deal with.

    After hours can be a cesspit at times tbh. Hopefully the woman involved or any of her friends and relations don't end up reading some of the guff posted.


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    #163
    [Deleted User]
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    Candie wrote: »
    I don't care what it's called, it's a horrible thing to do and the most important thing is that this woman was demeaned and made feel afraid and unsafe going about her daily life.

    I'm not a dwarf but I am quite small and I've had someone pick me up and literally throw me to his friend across a table of drinks, they thought it was hilarious but it frightened me and has never left me. Now I'm anxious in some situations when I never was before. I hope she's okay and her message is heeded by the people she talks to, it's a worthwhile endeavour.

    I met Sinead a couple of years ago and she spoke about that same thing happening to her. Drunk men picking her up and passing her around. Total strangers doing it for a laugh. She also mentioned because she is often crotch height drunken idiots have unzipped and exposed themselves to her face. She spoke of standing on a quiet street, minding her own business and a car load of lads pulling over to take photos, point and laugh.

    She told us about some everyday struggles like not being able to lock the door on public toilets so needing to ask strangers to hold it for her and then not being able to reach the sinks to wash her hands. Simple stuff we take for granted.

    She's an interesting, intelligent, extremely witty and accomplished woman but just the responses on this thread sum up what she has to put up with on a regular basis.

    She said something that really hit me.. I wish I could remember her words exactly but I think it was something like this...

    "I live in a world that was built for you. Not for me."

    I think that's very sad.


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    #164
    buried
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Like all species the strongest survive. Anyone different from the herd will get picked on or treated different. It's primal man. All the virtue signalling in the world isn't going to change that

    Doubtful those little gurrier $hitrats who assaulted her won't to be "strongly surviving" anywhere in a few years. They more than likely be heading straight from the crack den to the ditch, maybe a graveyard if they can swing it.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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    #165
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,741 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    I can only imagine the sh1t she has to put up with on a weekly or even daily basis.

    I'd be pretty well pissed off with a large section of society, from the leap frogging gobshytes, to people pointing, staring and laughing behind their sleeves to "well meaning" people getting it hopelessly wrong.


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    #166
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,741 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Like all species the strongest survive. Anyone different from the herd will get picked on or treated different. It's primal man. All the virtue signalling in the world isn't going to change that

    A great many people can't help being assholes.


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    #167
    Joe Don Dante
    Registered Users Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Joe Don Dante


    she'd eat an apple through a letterbox


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    #168
    Lucifer31
    Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭Lucifer31


    Hate crime? No.
    Very inappropriate behaviour? For sure.


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    #169
    Trump Is Right
    Closed Accounts Posts: 81 ✭✭Trump Is Right


    Candie wrote: »
    I don't care what it's called, it's a horrible thing to do and the most important thing is that this woman was demeaned and made feel afraid and unsafe going about her daily life.

    I'm not a dwarf but I am quite small and I've had someone pick me up and literally throw me to his friend across a table of drinks, they thought it was hilarious but it frightened me and has never left me. Now I'm anxious in some situations when I never was before. I hope she's okay and her message is heeded by the people she talks to, it's a worthwhile endeavour.

    So what?

    Some drunk chaps picked you up, and now you're part of that ever growing group in society that thinks they are victims...!? FFS! :rolleyes:

    Some people really need to toughen themselves up and stop being so quick to play the victim card... it's embarrassing. We are creating a nation of weaklings and softies! :P

    Previous generations would have laughed most of this stuff off and got on with their life... now it's some kind of big scandal. Please... Grow a pair!! :pac:


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    #170
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Arghus wrote: »
    It's pretty depressing isn't it? Reading down the first page of responses earlier and it became clear that most people were interested in making cheap jokes at this woman's expense and being extremely pedantic about what constitutes a hate-crime.

    Jesus lads, have a bit of class.
    did you happen to read the OP at all? The topic is whether people think this should be designated a "hate" crime. People have given opinions on that topic. You have wagged your finger.


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    #171
    Optimalprimerib
    Registered Users Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭Optimalprimerib


    This is a hate crime. More than alot that are deemed as hate crime, this is definitely one. The poor woman demeaned like that, with the fear that she will become a victim of a viral sensation.

    Her job is to display how to maintain confidence on the obstacles she faces each day, then this happens her? Then this thread is made to downplay the whole thing?

    In the space of 10 minutes in after hours I am thinking the same thing. Free speech is overrated.


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    #172
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Optimalprimerib wrote: »
    Free speech is overrated.
    interesting.

    i guess the crux of the issue is whether the motivation of the perpetrator or how the victim feels determines how the crime is designated.


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    #173
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Trump Is Right wrote: »
    So what?

    Some drunk chaps picked you up, and now you're part of that ever growing group in society that thinks they are victims...!? FFS! :rolleyes:

    Some people really need to toughen themselves up and stop being so quick to play the victim card... it's embarrassing. We are creating a nation of weaklings and softies! :P

    Previous generations would have laughed most of this stuff off and got on with their life... now it's some kind of big scandal. Please... Grow a pair!! :pac:
    She said it was an unpleasant experience which you know full well it was. Otherwise, you don't know her - she could be a lot tougher and more resilient than many of the edgelords here (and I suspect is).

    Some of ye need to grow out of the "trying to look cool" phase. Obviously "I've had someone pick me up and literally throw me to his friend across a table of drinks" is a sh1tty thing to do, and those who'd downplay it are just being woefully disingenuous, and using anything as an excuse to use their favourite inane term (which they're addicted to using): snowflake, which is now even being used in relation to when people have a genuine grievance - not just when they are being offended over nothing.


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    #174
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    It's really weird to see all these people doing their best to come off as the least empathetic, the least civilized, the most lacking in basic human civility.

    It's not hard to be an asshole, it's kind of the default state. Maybe when you've absolutely nothing to be proud of, you end up scrabbling around for anything which distinguishes you?


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    #175
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    B0jangles wrote: »
    It's really weird to see all these people doing their best to come off as the least empathetic, the least civilized, the most lacking in basic human civility.

    It's not hard to be an asshole, it's kind of the default state. Maybe when you've absolutely nothing to be proud of, you end up scrabbling around for anything which distinguishes you?
    care to mention any names?


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    #176
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    Jamiekelly wrote: »
    In the last 2-3 years AH has become a complete cesspool and threads like this one really show that. There are things that get said (and thanked) on this forum that would get the head kicked off some people if they were said on any main street in real life.

    Who would be kicking people's heads in and for what reason?

    Fantasy stuff.


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    #177
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    care to mention any names?

    Why? If I'm wrong and there's no one here who fits the description, no harm done, if there are posters here who fit the description, they'll know who they are without having to be told.


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    #178
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    Who would be kicking people's heads in and for what reason?

    Fantasy stuff.
    Stuff they type here under a pseudonym, which they wouldn't dream of saying to a person face to face.

    I don't know if this is a hate crime but objectively it was a sh1t thing to do to someone who couldn't defend themselves and people are going to all sorts of lengths to downplay it. That's what people are talking about.

    Personally mild jokes wouldn't bother me, but "It was nothing - she needs to stop being a snowflake" is no better than getting offended by tiny things.


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    #179
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    Irene Grumpy Crystal wrote: »
    Stuff they type here under a pseudonym, which they wouldn't dream of saying to a person face to face.

    I don't know if this is a hate crime but objectively it was a sh1t thing to do to someone who couldn't defend themselves and people are going to all sorts of lengths to downplay it. That's what people are talking about.

    Personally mild jokes wouldn't bother me, but "It was nothing - she needs to stop being a snowflake" is no better than getting offended by tiny things.

    You don't know what a person would or wouldn't say face to face to anyone, we are all strangers here.

    Back to the point, yeah it was a **** thing to do but a "hate crime"? Give over.


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    #180
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    B0jangles wrote: »
    Why? If I'm wrong and there's no one here who fits the description, no harm done, if there are posters here who fit the description, they'll know who they are without having to be told.
    no harm done so


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    #181
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,143 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    did you happen to read the OP at all? The topic is whether people think this should be designated a "hate" crime. People have given opinions on that topic. You have wagged your finger.

    It is the very definition of a hate crime no matter how much you and others try to downplay it.


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