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11 yr/old drag kid worshiped within LGBTQ community (Mod warning op)

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  • #152
    DontThankMe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭DontThankMe


    The Pheasant2 wrote: »
    And if it wasn't illegal it'd still be dangerous yeah?

    Just like this could still be dangerous for the child's development even though it falls within the law

    Legality is not the arbiter of right/wrong

    It might not be dangerous if you were thought how to drive a car at a young age and were therefore, capable of driving a car.

    The point I have previously made is that we will not know if this will be dangerous for the child's development because it is too early to tell. We will only know if it has harmed his development in in the long run in the future. It is impossible to tell what harm if any it is currently doing to the development of the child.


  • #153
    DontThankMe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭DontThankMe


    cdeb wrote: »
    It's also what is usually done at a lap dance.

    Why do you choose to see it as one but not the other?

    Becuase he is not dancing on anyone's lap that's the distinction for me.


  • #154
    The Pheasant2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭The Pheasant2


    DontThankMe wrote: »
    It might not be dangerous if you were thought how to drive a car at a young age and were therefore, capable of driving a car.

    The point I have previously made is that we will not know if this will be dangerous for the child's development because it is too early to tell. We will only know if it has harmed his development in in the long run in the future. It is impossible to tell what harm if any it is currently doing to the development of the child.

    This is a child's life not some kind of experiment...

    What do we say if in 10 years he's completely ****ed up?
    Shrug and say "Oh well"??


  • #155
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    The Pheasant2 wrote: »
    This is a child's life not some kind of experiment...

    What do we say if in 10 years he's completely ****ed up?
    Shrug and say "Oh well"??

    No, we say
    DontThankMe wrote: »
    so be it.


  • #156
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,875 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    DontThankMe wrote:
    Becuase he is not dancing on anyone's lap that's the distinction for me.


    Strippers don't always dance on your lap. This costs extra I believe. However they do prance around the stage and people do throw money at them on stage. Very like this kid


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  • #157
    cdeb
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    DontThankMe wrote: »
    Becuase he is not dancing on anyone's lap that's the distinction for me.
    Wow. So that makes it alright so?

    Why don't you consider it a table dance so? Same tipping issue. Is it because there's no table?


  • #158
    DontThankMe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭DontThankMe


    The Pheasant2 wrote: »
    This is a child's life not some kind of experiment...

    What do we say if in 10 years he's completely ****ed up?
    Shrug and say "Oh well"??

    And what if it turned out that he would have been completely fine in 10 years but his parents controlled him at the time and didn't allow him to do what they wanted to do (within reason).

    So he ended up resenting his parents, hanging out with the wrong crowd and turned to drugs and then ended up being just as ****ed up as some posters think he will be in the future if he continues on the current path that he is on.


  • #159
    antodeco
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 13,423 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    DontThankMe wrote: »
    It might not be dangerous if you were thought how to drive a car at a young age and were therefore, capable of driving a car.

    The point I have previously made is that we will not know if this will be dangerous for the child's development because it is too early to tell. We will only know if it has harmed his development in in the long run in the future. It is impossible to tell what harm if any it is currently doing to the development of the child.

    Just this last point. I'm fairly positive there have been studies done on early application of sexualisation towards children being negative towards their normal development. Not explicitly physical, but mental desensitizing towards normal sexual boundaries and self involvement in same.


  • #160
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    DontThankMe wrote: »
    his parents controlled him at the time and didn't allow him to do what they wanted to do (within reason).

    Oh the horror!
    DontThankMe wrote: »
    So he ended up resenting his parents, hanging out with the wrong crowd and turned to drugs

    and becomes a stripper. Wait, he already basically is one.


  • #161
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,479 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    If I stay on this thread I'll be banned for sure, so I'm getting out.


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  • #162
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    DontThankMe wrote: »
    And what if it turned out that he would have been completely fine in 10 years but his parents controlled him at the time and didn't allow him to do what they wanted to do (within reason).

    So he ended up resenting his parents, hanging out with the wrong crowd and turned to drugs and then ended up being just as ****ed up as some posters think he will be in the future if he continues on the current path that he is on.

    It's not about one child though, is it. Desmond is a symptom of a society that can hardly tell its arse from its elbow. He is celebrated on mainstream day time TV as trail blazing, inspirational, ''the future of America''.

    It's about a society having a - gosh, I can't say 'moral fabric' because that is so unfashionable, nowadays - a line in the sand, maybe?

    We have swung too far in what is acceptable for children to be able to do now. Fcuk, I don't even care if it is square to say that.


  • #163
    _Whimsical_
    Registered Users Posts: 7,955 ✭✭✭_Whimsical_


    One of the most surprising things I have seen in TV in recent years was on This Morning, the ITV morning TV show for housewives and stay at home mothers. They featured a little 9yr old boy and his mum from Canada. The little boy was a drag Queen at 8 with drag queen name Lactatia, in reference to breast lactation.
    There were videos of him dancing on stage in "sexy" dresses for mobs of baying adult men.

    Most frightening was the reaction of the hosts of This Morning, Philip Schofield and Holly Willoby. They were positively cooing their approval, "how lucky you are to have such an understanding mum to let you live out your dream to dance for men", "and you picked this lovely name Lactatia yourself? Of course you did, clever child", "what a great and touching example of how to truly love and accept a 9 year old like this". It was really very worrying. It felt like a concerted effort to elevate this utter insanity to the realm of an expression of love for your child and a value to aspire to.

    A few years ago it would've been too objectionable for a show like Eurotrash, suddenly its reframed as "family values" segment in a daytime show for stay at home mums. It made me incredibly uncomfortable that such ideas were creeping in on TV shows for impressionable people who look to mainstream hosts for cooking and medical advice. I definitely think someone somewhere is pulling the strings with very nefarious intent, I don't believe for a second this is something that's springing up organically, it really is a case of "if you tolerate this then YOUR children will be next".


  • #164
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,269 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    What the hell was an 11 year old kid doing in a club dancing in front of adult men.

    If it was an 11 year old girl in a club dancing in front of men I think we would be calling them paedos and rightly so because it's only sickos that want to see that kind of thing.


  • #165
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    _Whimsical_ wrote: »
    One of the most surprising things I have seen in TV in recent years was on This Morning, the ITV morning TV show for housewives and stay at home mothers. They featured a little 9yr old boy and his mum from Canada. The little boy was a drag Queen at 8 with drag queen name Lactatia, in reference to breast lactation.
    There were videos of him dancing on stage in "sexy" dresses for mobs of baying adult men.

    Most frightening was the reaction of the hosts of This Morning, Philip Schofield and Holly Willoby. They were positively cooing their approval, "how lucky you are to have such an understanding mum to let you live out your dream to dance for men", "and you picked this lovely name Lactatia yourself? Of course you did, clever child", "what a great and touching example of how to truly love and accept a 9 year old like this". It was really very worrying. It felt like a concerted effort to elevate this utter insanity to the realm of an expression of love for your child and a value to aspire to.

    A few years ago it would've been too objectionable for a show like Eurotrash, suddenly its reframed as "family values" segment in a daytime show for stay at home mums. It made me incredibly uncomfortable that such ideas were creeping in on TV shows for impressionable people who look to mainstream hosts for cooking and medical advice. I definitely think someone somewhere is pulling the strings with very nefarious intent, I don't believe for a second this is something that's springing up organically, it really is a case of "if you tolerate this then YOUR children will be next".

    Yes it is real insanity. It is connected to so many other things too.


  • #166
    The Pheasant2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭The Pheasant2


    DontThankMe wrote: »
    And what if it turned out that he would have been completely fine in 10 years but his parents controlled him at the time and didn't allow him to do what they wanted to do (within reason).

    So he ended up resenting his parents, hanging out with the wrong crowd and turned to drugs and then ended up being just as ****ed up as some posters think he will be in the future if he continues on the current path that he is on.

    I feel like it's faaairly easy in this situation to identify which path has the higher likelihood of him turning to drugs or whatever...

    You're being obtuse


  • #167
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,754 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    backspin. wrote: »
    If this was an 11 year old girl dancing infront of adult men there would be absolute outrage and rightly so. I just don't get why there is such support of this obvious abuse of a young boy.

    We live in really f**ked up times.

    Actually it happens all the time without comment. Have you ever seen children’s beauty pageants?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #168
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Brian? wrote: »
    Actually it happens all the time without comment. Have you ever seen children’s beauty pageants?

    While also obscene, they tend to be less sexualised. The US is just crazy.


  • #169
    cdeb
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    While also obscene, they tend to be less sexualised. The US is just crazy.
    And they tend to be sexualised enough as it is, let's be honest.

    Though at least they're put across as a competition between children. What's this?


  • #170
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,093 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Brian? wrote: »
    Actually it happens all the time without comment. Have you ever seen children’s beauty pageants?

    In fairness, there are lots of comments made about those too. In fact, I would say most people would be against those. I can't imagine an article proclaiming how great the pageants are appearing in a mainstream media source or the participants and their parents being lauded on national television. They are usually the subject of ridicule, if not outrage, and rightly so imo.

    How come it's ok to question child beauty pageants but questioning this means you're a raging right wing bigot?


  • #171
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,754 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    backspin. wrote: »
    He is 11. He is too young to even understand the danger he is in psychologically or even physically.

    You might want to ring the Gardaí so about the Billy Barry kids. They’re up late every year I watch the Late Late toy show, dancing around like fierce deviants.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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  • #172
    antodeco
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 13,423 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Brian? wrote: »
    Actually it happens all the time without comment. Have you ever seen children’s beauty pageants?

    Do audience members throw dollar bills at the performers?
    Also, what percentage of the audience at a pageant have their own children performing? I'd assume it would be greater than 75% at least?

    Also, as wrong as this is, there is a difference between a "contest" and a performance.

    By the way, I'm not pro beauty pageant by the way. I think they do have the same sexualisation application towards children. The difference though is the pageant is positioned as contest between several kids, where the audience is mainly parents of other performers, so slightly more accepted publicly.


  • #173
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    _Whimsical_ wrote: »
    One of the most surprising things I have seen in TV in recent years was on This Morning, the ITV morning TV show for housewives and stay at home mothers. They featured a little 9yr old boy and his mum from Canada. The little boy was a drag Queen at 8 with drag queen name Lactatia, in reference to breast lactation.
    There were videos of him dancing on stage in "sexy" dresses for mobs of baying adult men.

    Most frightening was the reaction of the hosts of This Morning, Philip Schofield and Holly Willoby. They were positively cooing their approval, "how lucky you are to have such an understanding mum to let you live out your dream to dance for men", "and you picked this lovely name Lactatia yourself? Of course you did, clever child", "what a great and touching example of how to truly love and accept a 9 year old like this". It was really very worrying. It felt like a concerted effort to elevate this utter insanity to the realm of an expression of love for your child and a value to aspire to.

    A few years ago it would've been too objectionable for a show like Eurotrash, suddenly its reframed as "family values" segment in a daytime show for stay at home mums. It made me incredibly uncomfortable that such ideas were creeping in on TV shows for impressionable people who look to mainstream hosts for cooking and medical advice. I definitely think someone somewhere is pulling the strings with very nefarious intent, I don't believe for a second this is something that's springing up organically, it really is a case of "if you tolerate this then YOUR children will be next".

    I'd have to agree, there's been a push for all sorts of bizarre behaviour the last few years and a lot of useful idiots to cheerlead it on... Usually of the purple haired variety


  • #174
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,269 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Brian? wrote: »
    You might want to ring the Gardaí so about the Billy Barry kids. They’re up late every year I watch the Late Late toy show, dancing around like fierce deviants.

    Maybe read this again and it might sink in how ridiculous the comparison you are making is.


  • #175
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,479 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Brian? wrote: »
    You might want to ring the Gardaí so about the Billy Barry kids. They’re up late every year I watch the Late Late toy show, dancing around like fierce deviants.

    Are they being sexualised though?


  • #176
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    Brian? wrote: »
    You might want to ring the Gardaí so about the Billy Barry kids. They’re up late every year I watch the Late Late toy show, dancing around like fierce deviants.


    FFS Brian? Step away from the computer and have a long walk and a good think to yourself.


  • #177
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,754 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    While also obscene, they tend to be less sexualised. The US is just crazy.

    I don’t think they less sexualised. They just confirm to heterosexual norms in terms of sexualisation.

    I was being a bit glib in my argument. But I firmly believe what really makes people uncomfortable is the face it’s a young boy and gay audiences. It grates against current social norms. There is still a wide spread association between bring gay and being a pederast, which is completely inaccurate.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #178
    DaverageJoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 49 ✭DaverageJoe


    Brian? wrote: »
    Actually it happens all the time without comment. Have you ever seen children’s beauty pageants?

    As messed up as those pageants are it's still not a crowd of drunk men in a bar throwing money and cheering on a child dancing in a sexual way.


  • #179
    Church on Tuesday
    Registered Users Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Church on Tuesday


    Think social services may need to check in with Desmond and his folks.


  • #180
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,754 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    DaverageJoe wrote: »
    As messed up as those pageants are it's still not a crowd of drunk men in a bar throwing money and cheering on a child dancing in a sexual way.

    Dancing around pretending to be Gwen Stefani.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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  • #181
    pleas advice
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    This shıt is bananas


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