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The Luas: Badly designed?

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  • #62
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Maybe we need more hi-vis on the bridges too? Let's just hi-vis everything, just to make certain that drivers don't have to actually pay attention to their driving.

    https://twitter.com/DubFireBrigade/status/1106552162702815232?s=19

    look up 11 foot 8. They come complete with flashing lights if your truck is too high to fit under the bridge. They've filmed over 140 crashes on that bridge. http://11foot8.com/


  • #63
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,452 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    AMKC wrote: »
    It was designed and done wrong from the start. It should have been put up of stilts like the metro system in Sydney for instance. That way it would not have taken up the road space that it did and that could have still been used too so the traffic in the city would have been reduced as some people that drove in would now be able to use the trams that go along on tracks built up high over the roads not on them and there would not have to have been as many changes to traffic into the city so the vehicles would move along better now with less vehicles on it. But no they said it would be anti-social lol as if anyone getting on the Luas these day are social anyway with there eyes and ears addicted to there devices.

    I think a Luas on stilts would fall afoul of our building height restrictions! (I'd imagine the main reason it wasn't done is the cost)


  • #64
    AMKC
    Registered Users Posts: 15,510 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    astrofool wrote: »
    I think a Luas on stilts would fall afoul of our building height restrictions! (I'd imagine the main reason it wasn't done is the cost)

    It hardly have been any worse than digging up all the roads it was going along. I think it could have worked out cheaper and its not like it would have had to be that high only about 10 feet up or so not 160 feet up like say a 20 story building.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • #65
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,278 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    AMKC wrote: »
    It hardly have been any worse than digging up all the roads it was going along. I think it could have worked out cheaper and its not like it would have had to be that high only about 10 feet up or so not 160 feet up like say a 20 story building.

    10feet? That wouldn’t let a bus under. It would be a massive eyesore that would never have got through planning


  • #66
    antoinolachtnai
    Registered Users Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    The shading effect (cutting off light) on relatively narrow streets (even Abbey Street would be very great. The stations would end up boxing in whole sections of the street when you'd be done putting in elevators and lifts.


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  • #67
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,712 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    AMKC wrote: »
    It hardly have been any worse than digging up all the roads it was going along. I think it could have worked out cheaper and its not like it would have had to be that high only about 10 feet up or so not 160 feet up like say a 20 story building.

    The digging is all done now, that's a non argument.
    The people pissing and moaning about all the "digging up our roads" are fairly quiet now that their property values have gone up along the route.


  • #68
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,304 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    AMKC wrote: »
    It hardly have been any worse than digging up all the roads it was going along. I think it could have worked out cheaper and its not like it would have had to be that high only about 10 feet up or so not 160 feet up like say a 20 story building.


    Cheaper? I'd love to see your calculations to show how building an additional platform above all the roads would have saved money. What costs would be reduced by this approach?


  • #69
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Is this a joke?


    It's covered in a big yellow stripe. It's big, it's shiny in parts, and it runs along the same track every day, just a few minutes apart.


    And you want it repainted? Maybe if drivers would just put their phones down and stop breaking red lights, then they'd stop crashing.


    Do we need to paint all houses in hi-vis too now, to make it easy for drivers to avoid them?

    No need for the sarcasm. On an overcast (ie almost every) day the trams do tend to merge into the background, particularly around O'Connell St where a lot of the buildings are grey.


  • #70
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,304 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    sabat wrote: »
    No need for the sarcasm. On an overcast (ie almost every) day the trams do tend to merge into the background, particularly around O'Connell St where a lot of the buildings are grey.

    And the big yellow stripe?


  • #71
    maninasia
    Registered Users Posts: 4,615 ✭✭✭maninasia


    AMKC wrote: »
    It hardly have been any worse than digging up all the roads it was going along. I think it could have worked out cheaper and its not like it would have had to be that high only about 10 feet up or so not 160 feet up like say a 20 story building.

    You are proposing elevated rail lines, they are very common in Asia and work very well.


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  • #72
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    The Luas, particularly the Red Line, is fantastically designed if you're a scrote of society. Passes numerous clinics such as St James for the methodone, the 4 courts and the CCJ for all the charges you face and then O Connell St for all your robbery needs with added bonus Boardwalk for scoring heroin and getting out of your head. And you don't even have to pay on to it.


  • #73
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,304 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Another near-invisible Luas smashed up this morning;

    https://twitter.com/DubFireBrigade/status/1106847358707486720

    That's a lot of damage to the bus - not a fender-bender


  • #74
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    "expect delays in the area"

    I'll expect compo claims and whiplash in the area


  • #75
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users Posts: 6,482 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    The design is not bad. It works the world over. It is people that are the problem. Many are idiots that have no awareness of the environment they walk/drive through multiple times a week. There is no issue with the visibility of the trams. They can be seen if a person is looking. If they are not looking then it doesn't matter what colour they are.

    I'd be of the opinion that any motorist that is proven to break a red/amber light and crashes with a LUAS should automatically be banned for 2 years. No appeal.


  • #76
    AMKC
    Registered Users Posts: 15,510 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    antoinolachtnai wrote: »
    The shading effect (cutting off light) on relatively narrow streets (even Abbey Street would be very great. The stations would end up boxing in whole sections of the street when you'd be done putting in elevators and lifts.

    Ok good point.
    whisky_galore wrote: »
    The digging is all done now, that's a non argument.
    The people pissing and moaning about all the "digging up our roads" are fairly quiet now that their property values have gone up along the route.

    True.
    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Cheaper? I'd love to see your calculations to show how building an additional platform above all the roads would have saved money. What costs would be reduced by this approach?

    Well it can't have been much more than it cost anyway if it would have been done right. But it is the way it now anyway and there was another crash again this morning because of the way it is.
    maninasia wrote: »
    You are proposing elevated rail lines, they are very common in Asia and work very well.

    That's them yes. Thank you.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • #77
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,304 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    AMKC wrote: »
    Well it can't have been much more than it cost anyway if it would have been done right. But it is the way it now anyway and there was another crash again this morning because of the way it is.
    There was another crash this morning because some idiot wasn't looking where they're going. And yes, building elevated platforms to take the weight of a Luas, along with access for passengers to each stop, including lifts for wheelchair access would have cost an awful lot more.


  • #78
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    5 Luas staff taken to hospital..... Cha Ching....


  • #79
    andekwarhola
    Registered Users Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    To be fair, the luas is a good system but it's operating in the context of a very congested car-reliant city that still has a paucity of public transport options.

    It's inevitable that these accidents will occur when you have trams operating in a city centre with no restrictions on vehicular traffic.


  • #80
    vectorvictor
    Registered Users Posts: 745 ✭✭✭vectorvictor


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    5 Luas staff taken to hospital..... Cha Ching....

    And about 50 passengers at about 2pm after they get talking to their mates and suddenly develop symptoms.


  • #81
    andekwarhola
    Registered Users Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    There was another crash this morning because some idiot wasn't looking where they're going. And yes, building elevated platforms to take the weight of a Luas, along with access for passengers to each stop, including lifts for wheelchair access would have cost an awful lot more.

    Plus it'd be an utter eyesore.

    How much expense and ugliness do we require because people want to have the god given right to drive in the city centre?


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  • #82
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,278 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    An overhead luas would be absolutely awful in the city, it could work in the suburbs on main roads but that’s where it wouldn’t be needed. It would need to have a high clearance to allow double deckers pass under. It would cost a fortune to build like that. On top of that it would be the ugliest thing in the city. Imagine a big concrete structure running by the front of trinity college.


  • #83
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Another near-invisible Luas smashed up this morning;

    https://twitter.com/DubFireBrigade/status/1106847358707486720

    That's a lot of damage to the bus - not a fender-bender

    Someone broke their red light hard.


  • #84
    fullstop
    Registered Users Posts: 11,297 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    AMKC wrote: »
    It was designed and done wrong from the start. It should have been put up of stilts like the metro system in Sydney for instance. That way it would not have taken up the road space that it did and that could have still been used too so the traffic in the city would have been reduced as some people that drove in would now be able to use the trams that go along on tracks built up high over the roads not on them and there would not have to have been as many changes to traffic into the city so the vehicles would move along better now with less vehicles on it. But no they said it would be anti-social lol as if anyone getting on the Luas these day are social anyway with there eyes and ears addicted to there devices.

    The tram/monorail in Sydney that was shut down and decommissioned years ago having only been built when the olympics were coming? Not a great example.
    The current system is on street level for part of it and crosses junctions with traffic.


  • #85
    holliehobbie
    Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭holliehobbie


    vectorvictor wrote: »
    And about 50 passengers at about 2pm after they get talking to their mates and suddenly develop symptoms.

    Think it happened about 7am on a Saturday morning of a Bank Holiday weekend. No one up at that hour especially scrotes and their mates! That's why nearly all of the 9 people taken to hospital were Luas employees!


  • #86
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    It's faster to walk around the city center then get through it by luas. The traffic is beyond ridiculous.


  • #87
    Somedaythefire
    Registered Users Posts: 758 ✭✭✭Somedaythefire


    The_Brood wrote: »
    It's faster to walk around the city center then get through it by luas. The traffic is beyond ridiculous.

    No its not.


  • #88
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    Somedaythefire wrote: »
    No its not.


    I have tried it. More than once.


  • #89
    Somedaythefire
    Registered Users Posts: 758 ✭✭✭Somedaythefire


    The_Brood wrote: »
    I have tried it. More than once.

    Good for you. I get the luas across the city every day at both rush hours. I walk it sometimes too and it is absolutely not faster walking.


  • #90
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users Posts: 13,282 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    The_Brood wrote: »
    It's faster to walk around the city center then get through it by luas. The traffic is beyond ridiculous.

    This is one of these 'so what' scenarios, even if its true.
    It happens all over the world, like going from Leicester Sq to Covent Garden on the Tube in London would take marginally longer than walking but no-one suggests that its a bad idea to serve these places.
    These things generally aren't designed to be the best way of going from one city centre stop to another city centre stop a kilometre away, they are primarily commuter lines aimed at going from suburban locations to urban locations. The slow bits in the middle are necessary for the overall system to be a working network.


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  • #91
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,664 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    The Luas has an excellent safety record. The key difference in Dubin to other European cities is breaking lights is not tolerated. Goverment announced the red light camera trial will be discontinued.

    You could argue some elements could have been better however they are irrelevant to its safety record.


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