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Destruction of heritage
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Sutton's Fire, South Mall, 29th November 1963 www.corkcityfirebrigade.ie
OK, so it's not completely hideous, the bits you can see anyway, but I guess a warehouse with coal, and oil in it would always be at risk of fire damage. TF McNamaras "Portrait of Cork" has a very poor picture from another angle of a 1958 fire.0 -
Sutton's Fire, South Mall, 29th November 1963 www.corkcityfirebrigade.ie
OK, so it's not completely hideous, the bits you can see anyway, but I guess a warehouse with coal, and oil in it would always be at risk of fire damage. TF McNamaras "Portrait of Cork" has a very poor picture from another angle of a 1958 fire.
It looks there like it was redbrick with limestone - a combination found along the Mall. I doubt it was mustard yellow/baby pooh colour of the Soviet monstrosity.0 -
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Some industrial heritage, Ballysadare Mill, Sligo
Totally depressing topic.
The above building arose as a topic over on another site - here is one of the better links to what has/is happening to it - worth a look to see what happens to our 'finest architecture and quality construction'.
http://zxcode.com/2011/05/the-mill-apartments-ballisodare/
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Being that it was an industrial building, it was probably local slob brick rather than the better quality imported clay ones used on the more upmarket buldings of the Mall. If so, it would be looking pretty bad by now even without the two fires. Slob bricks were made on the douglas river and over by the railway station from river mud and they were soft, mishapen and uneven coloured. All of the good clay bricks were imported, mostly from holland and they were too expensive to use on 'lesser buildings'.
The 60s were not noted for architecture in this country, but soviet is off the mark, those office blocks are distinctly capitalist in nature, lash it up cheaply and get the profits in.
I remember reading somewhere - Sorry, can't recall where, which is unlike me
- that a lot of the Dutch redbricks used on the Mall came in as ballast. The beautiful wrought iron balconies seen in parts of Sydney were similarly made from ballast - pig iron in their case.
capitalist/soviet - bloody ugly either way
I went to school on the first floor of #15. It still had many of the original feature - beautiful plasterwork, double doors leading into an ante-room, original fireplace and Victorian bathroom with original panelling (and bath and loo!). It always made me feel like I was in a 'posh' railway carriage.0 -
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Sir - my father was born in Cork in 1904 - his dad was a clerk with the Cork Steam Packet Co.
Do you know of any books of Old Cork, or a 'then and now'?
I'd appreciate any information on the subject.
tac
There are loads of books from old photographs published by the Irish Examiner/Evening Echo and others, local area Memoirs (which might be difficult to get other than locally), and more specialist covering the Markets, Local Business's, industry, politics, geology etc. Where do you want to start?
The Steam Packet Office is on the right in this picture or more recently from Google maps in the attachment.
A good place to have a look online is Cork City Library http://www.corkpastandpresent.ie/
There's a full set of maps on the Ordnance Survey of Ireland site and you can toggle between current and old maps.
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,567428,571988,5,90 -
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Sir - my father was born in Cork in 1904 - his dad was a clerk with the Cork Steam Packet Co.
Do you know of any books of Old Cork, or a 'then and now'?
I'd appreciate any information on the subject.
tac
Tac,
Not been very up on Cork (been a Galwegian and all). But given that I'm assuming you have a military background (going on the thread on Native Americans) you might appreciate it.
Irish Army Armoured Car in Passage West Cork after landing of forces by ship in 1922. This is during the civil war:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/6652701421/
Regarding heritage there was lot destroyed during the Civil war, the prime example is the Record Office in the Four Courts which led to destruction of bulk of state records from medieval Ireland.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/6298688212/0 -
i think its outside the walls which look very old but were only erected in the 1950s.Bannasidhe wrote: »Ohhh Ohhh I've more:
Trim Castle Hotel - sure why didn't they just attach it on to the side of the castle...
http://www.trimcastlehotel.com/home.htm
:mad::mad::mad:
I once heard a colleague go off on one about the building of a helipad at Clonmacnoise (for the 1979 Papal visit?) but can't find any images...
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Bannasidhe wrote: »Coole House :mad:
More immediate concerns my arse. :mad:
the problem was house rates that were very expensive?
a lot of big houses were knocked at this time. they were regarded as symbols of the British Oppressor and this thinking spread to Georgian Dublin. Its not only in Ireland that cultural vandalism takes place. Walk through the streets of Prague and you would never think that there was a 800 year old German culture there. Completely erased after 1945 and written out of existence.0 -
the problem was house rates that were very expensive?
a lot of big houses were knocked at this time. they were regarded as symbols of the British Oppressor and this thinking spread to Georgian Dublin. Its not only in Ireland that cultural vandalism takes place. Walk through the streets of Prague and you would never think that there was a 800 year old German culture there. Completely erased after 1945 and written out of existence.
Coole House was owned by the state who willfully neglected it until it had to be demolished though. Here's an article that was published in 1964 in the "Connacht Turbine" (as us Galwegians often call the Tribune )This article was first published in 'The Connacht Tribune' on Saturday September 5th, 1964.
Dr. Micheal Mac Liammoir has lamented the passing of the Claddagh, the old Claddagh of thatched cottages. He regrets its disappearance as he regrets the decay into a heap of rubble of Lady Gregory's house at Coole near Gort. Speaking at the Yeat's International Summer School in Sligo last week Dr. Mac Liammoir said: Lady Gregory would not be glad about a lot of things that are now being done in Ireland. It is criminal to allow Lady Gregory's house at Coole, County Galway, to fall into ruin from a commerical point of view. Those people who got rid of the house, and the Claddagh in Galway and would not put up a plaque on the house in which Yeats was born are in the next breath crying out for tourists, and what have they to show tourists?"
Dr. Mac Liammoir is probably lamenting the disappearance of the Claddagh of the picture post cards. That was a quaint place. Women in red petticoats sat in the sun outside neat, white-washed cottages of golden thatch, and ducks ambled in a row on the green that fronted the houses. He must have come to know the real Claddagh during the time, now nearly forty years ago, when he and his equally famous colleague of the theatre, Hilton Edwards, launched Taibhdhearc na Gaillimhe. The real Claddagh was very different, but the picture of it may have been wiped out of Dr. Mac Liammoir's mind by the post card. The real thing was a jumble of bedraggled cottages, many of them with sagging or broken roofs, crowded together in a crazy network of alleys, some cobblestoned, some clay-surfaced, but all pitted and holding water whenever rain fell. It was an unsanitary place, the passing of which is not to be regretted.
This country shows scant respect for some ties of historical, archaeological and cultural significance, but to claim for the old Claddagh that it should have been preserved as something of tourist value is asking too much. When demolition was about to take place it was suggested that some of the houses should be preserved as museum pieces. Even if the Claddagh had been all that it was represented to be by the postcards no part of the worth while quality would have been preserved by a few of the cottages.
If blame is to be attached to anyone, associated with the change that took place in the Claddagh about thirty years ago it should be directed against the Local Government Department that provided the plans for the new houses and that, instead of providing something attractive, gave Galway a dull, drab housing area. Because it was a distinct community outside the walls of NormanGalway and because of the distinct way of its old life the Claddagh is still written of in tourist booklets, but it must be a disappointment to those who visit it. And so much could have been done had the housing section of the Department a sense of aesthetic values, in those days.0 -
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Coole House was owned by the state who willfully neglected it until it had to be demolished though. Here's an article that was published in 1964 in the "Connacht Turbine" (as us Galwegians often call the Tribune )
tourism was not developed then. coole park was the place to visit in the 80s( not many other potions on a sunday afternoon). pity about the house. its upkeep could have been maintained through an admission fee.
the claddagh village was deemed unsanitary in the 30s, but if it had been restored it would have been a major magnet for tourists, but why mus we conserve our heritage just for the sake of tourists and making a quick buck? Even in the eighties there were several thatched cottages around the city , which featured on the classic postcards, but here was no interest in keeping them . a old couple lived in a thatched cottage up the road from me in Coolough and when they died about three years ago the cottage was let fall into ruin.0 -
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c.1840
....and today. The minor ringfort still exists but the major one has been obliterated for a golf course.
It was excavated though; nothing of great interest was unearthed but still, could it not have been preserved in some way?
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slowburner wrote: »Against wolves for sure but against raiders too, almost certainly.
There's a reason Faol (wolf) often shows up as a component of first name. One only has to look at the Whelean/Phealans eg. Ó Faoláin (descendants of "little wolf")
Of course Edmund Spencer wrote that us Irish supposedly turned into Wolves at least once a year 0 -
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rich folk need to play somewhere.
some people argued that the current recession only started when the powers that started to destroy Tara and other ancient monuments such as the graves of the Fianna. No money means no money for new roads that cut through a virgin landscape. Perhaps the punishment of the Gods for our greed?
No doubt there's an annex to both "Baile Chuinn Chétchathaig" and "Baile In Scáil" (Baile == Buile ; in == an) that predicts that very event.
Personally I think if settlements sites are going to be destroyed (particulary when they have upstanding earthworks) then there needs to be an excavation first.0 -
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