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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,425 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Weather humour. I like it.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Hopefully @Jeff_Piotrowski will be following this one. Anybody remember him in the car wash?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Florence is now a Category 4 Hurricane again. Edit: apologies, already quoted above!

    If you're in SC/NC/VA - might be time to charge your electronics, buy some water and fill the petrol tank. All indications that this yoke is going to do what Harvey did and dump rain over the same area for a couple of days straight.

    Maybe if it goes far enough north to knock on DC's door el Trumpo will finally feel some empathy with Puerto Rico.
    NHC wrote:
    368
    WTNT61 KNHC 101556
    TCUAT1

    Hurricane Florence Tropical Cyclone Update
    NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL062018
    1200 PM AST Mon Sep 10 2018

    ...FLORENCE BECOMES A CATEGORY FOUR HURRICANE...

    Data from a NOAA Hurricane Hunter aircraft indicate that Florence
    has continued to rapidly stregthen and has maximum sustained winds
    near 130 mph (195 km/h). The latest minimum central pressure based
    on data from the aircraft is 946 mb (27.93 inches).


    SUMMARY OF 1200 PM AST...1600 UTC...INFORMATION
    LOCATION...25.0N 60.2W
    ABOUT 575 MI...925 KM SSE OF BERMUDA
    ABOUT 1230 MI...1985 KM ESE OF CAPE FEAR NORTH CAROLINA
    MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...130 MPH...195 KM/H
    PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 280 DEGREES AT 13 MPH...20 KM/H
    MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...946 MB...27.93 INCHES

    $$
    Forecaster Blake


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭piplip87


    So lads what's the chances of us getting the tail end of it ?

    According to to tabloids it's coming straight for us ? Should we be preparing or leave the trampoline up for another few weeks


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    piplip87 wrote: »
    So lads what's the chances of us getting the tail end of it ?

    According to to tabloids it's coming straight for us ? Should we be preparing or leave the trampoline up for another few weeks

    Impossible to tell this far out. If you were to trust the models (and trusting them at >200hrs, especially with complex cyclones like hurricanes, is sheer madness) then you'd be far more concerned about Helene or the Invest in the mid Atlantic than you would about Florence's remnants.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Latest Aircraft recon flight data, showing SFMR surface winds of around 118 knots.


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    URNT12 KWBC 101806
    VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL062018
    A. 10/17:36:10Z
    B. 25.15 deg N 060.50 deg W
    C. 700 MB 2615 m
    D. 944 mb
    E. 085 deg 09 kt
    F. CLOSED
    G. C12
    H. 118 kt
    I. 113 deg 9 nm 17:34:00Z
    J. 203 deg 124 kt
    K. 115 deg 10 nm 17:33:45Z
    L. 122 kt
    M. 303 deg 9 nm 17:38:33Z
    N. 036 deg 113 kt
    O. 305 deg 12 nm 17:39:23Z
    P. 13 C / 2364 m
    Q. 19 C / 2783 m
    R. 10 C / NA
    S. 12345 / 7
    T. 0.01 / 1 nm
    U. NOAA2 WC06A FLORENCE OB 25
    MAX FL WIND 126 KT 041 / 9 NM 16:40:13Z


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,425 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I was just looking at Wilmington the city in North Carolina that looks like it will get a fair old shunt off Florence and it's a city of 117,000 people which isn't an insignificant number of people. I mean they can't evacuate that many people in three days can they ?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,706 Mod ✭✭✭✭star gazer


    Extensive mandatory evacuations of coastlines of South Carolina and North Carolina are going to come into effect in anticipation of the storm. Selected roads will be turned one way out of the area.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,115 ✭✭✭pad199207


    From Cat 1 early this morning to a Cat 4 this evening. That is kinda yikes!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,425 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    star gazer wrote: »
    Extensive mandatory evacuations of coastlines of South Carolina and North Carolina are going to come into effect in anticipation of the storm. Selected roads will be turned one way out of the area.

    Well mandatory is good in this instance as it's the one thing that I've noticed with hurricanes in America is that there seems to be an attitude of "it won't be as bad as they say" which isn't a good one to have. If I've learnt anything from the good people of this forum, it's that weather services and governments don't put out warnings for the fun of it.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Useful article here on why the 2018 Atlantic hurricane season has burst into life. There's now a favourable MJO. In addition, the development of an El Nino has stalled, plus there is a warming of sea surface temps from a 1 to 2F deficit to more normal levels.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,904 ✭✭✭cian1500ww


    Latest Aircraft recon flight data, showing SFMR surface winds of around 118 knots.


    URNT12 KWBC 101806
    VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL062018
    A. 10/17:36:10Z
    B. 25.15 deg N 060.50 deg W
    C. 700 MB 2615 m
    D. 944 mb
    E. 085 deg 09 kt
    F. CLOSED
    G. C12
    H. 118 kt
    I. 113 deg 9 nm 17:34:00Z
    J. 203 deg 124 kt
    K. 115 deg 10 nm 17:33:45Z
    L. 122 kt
    M. 303 deg 9 nm 17:38:33Z
    N. 036 deg 113 kt
    O. 305 deg 12 nm 17:39:23Z
    P. 13 C / 2364 m
    Q. 19 C / 2783 m
    R. 10 C / NA
    S. 12345 / 7
    T. 0.01 / 1 nm
    U. NOAA2 WC06A FLORENCE OB 25
    MAX FL WIND 126 KT 041 / 9 NM 16:40:13Z


    130 knots measured about 30 minutes ago:
    195700 2526N 06044W 7280 02401 9598 +142 //// 138129 130 117 034 05
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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Latest views of Florence. High end Cat 4, fears of hitting Cat 5. Recent reports winds of 144 mph, gusts around 160 mph. Looks like landfall of Cat 4 or 5

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    https://twitter.com/NOAASatellites/status/1039242623788228615

    https://twitter.com/MJVentrice/status/1039246908420698113

    From the ISS

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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    She's a beauty.

    On the CNN scale i'm going for Anderson Cooper level of severity but not quite enough destruction to get Wolf Blitzer out...yet..


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,115 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Likely to be Cat 5 now upon landfall. This will be one for the history books.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    ISS fly over Florence today.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    2100Z NHC discussion in a few minutes should be an interesting read.
    Latest views of Florence. High end Cat 4, fears of hitting Cat 5. Recent reports winds of 144 mph, gusts around 160 mph. Looks like landfall of Cat 4 or 5

    What site is that very last pic from?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,706 Mod ✭✭✭✭star gazer


    An ominous way to start the discussion. NHC
    ZCZC MIATCDAT1 ALL
    TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM

    Hurricane Florence Discussion Number 46
    NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL062018
    500 PM AST Mon Sep 10 2018

    Unfortunately, the models were right. Florence has rapidly
    intensified into an extremely dangerous hurricane, with 30-second
    GOES-16 visible imagery showing well-defined eyewall mesovortices
    rotating inside of the eye. A NOAA Hurricane Hunter aircraft found
    peak SFMR winds of about 120 kt, with flight-level winds and
    dropsonde measurements also supporting that value for the initial
    wind speed estimate. Notably, the aircraft data also show the size
    of the hurricane-force winds has doubled in the past 12 hours.

    None of the guidance suggest that Florence has peaked in intensity,
    and this is supported by a continuation of a low-shear environment,
    and even warmer waters over the next 36 hours. Thus, the intensity
    forecast is raised from the previous one, bringing Florence close
    to category 5 strength tomorrow. Near landfall, the vertical wind
    shear could increase, along with the increasing likelihood of
    eyewall cycles. While the intensity forecast shows some weakening
    of the maximum winds near landfall, the wind field is expected to
    grow with time, which increases the storm surge and inland wind
    threats. The bottom line is that there is high confidence that
    Florence will be a large and extremely dangerous hurricane,
    regardless of its exact intensity.

    Florence has recently turned west-northwestward, still moving at 11
    kt. The hurricane is expected to accelerate in that direction over
    the next day or two due to building mid-level ridge over the
    northwestern Atlantic Ocean. By late Wednesday, a turn toward the
    northwest is forecast due to the orientation of the Atlantic ridge,
    along with a decrease in forward speed due to a new ridge building
    over the Great Lakes. There is a new player in the forecast as
    well, with the disturbance over the northwestern Caribbean adding
    some uncertainty in the ridge strength over the southeastern United
    States. Perhaps it isn't surprising that the model spread has
    increased on this cycle, with a small eastward shift overall. The
    official forecast is nudged in the direction of the trend, but is
    west of the model consensus. It is important not to focus on the
    exact forecast track as average NHC errors at days 4 and 5 are about
    140 and 180 n mi, respectively, and dangerous hazards will extend
    well away from the center.

    The NOAA G-IV jet will continue to conduct synoptic surveillance
    missions every 12 h through at least Wednesday. In addition, special
    0600 UTC and 1800 UTC radiosonde launches have been expanded to
    additional upper-air stations across the U.S. are to collect extra
    data for the numerical models.

    Key Messages:

    1. A life-threatening storm surge is likely along portions of the
    coastlines of South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia, and
    a Storm Surge Watch will likely be issued for some of these areas by
    Tuesday morning. All interests from South Carolina into the mid-
    Atlantic region should ensure they have their hurricane plan in
    place and follow any advice given by local officials.

    2. Life-threatening freshwater flooding is likely from a prolonged
    and exceptionally heavy rainfall event, which may extend inland over
    the Carolinas and Mid Atlantic for hundreds of miles as Florence is
    expected to slow down as it approaches the coast and moves inland.

    3. Damaging hurricane-force winds are likely along portions of the
    coasts of South Carolina and North Carolina, and a Hurricane Watch
    will likely be issued by Tuesday morning. Damaging winds could also
    spread well inland into portions of the Carolinas and Virginia.

    4. Large swells affecting Bermuda and portions of the U.S. East
    Coast will continue this week, resulting in life-threatening surf
    and rip currents.

    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 10/2100Z 25.4N 61.1W 120 KT 140 MPH
    12H 11/0600Z 26.0N 63.2W 130 KT 150 MPH
    24H 11/1800Z 27.0N 66.2W 135 KT 155 MPH
    36H 12/0600Z 28.6N 69.3W 135 KT 155 MPH
    48H 12/1800Z 30.4N 72.2W 130 KT 150 MPH
    72H 13/1800Z 33.7N 77.0W 120 KT 140 MPH
    96H 14/1800Z 35.6N 78.8W 50 KT 60 MPH...INLAND
    120H 15/1800Z 36.5N 79.5W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND

    $$
    Forecaster Blake

    NNNN


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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Latest advisory up to 140 MPH.

    155 MPH by tomorrow afternoon - that's right on the edge of CAT 5.
    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 10/2100Z 25.4N 61.1W 120 KT 140 MPH
    12H 11/0600Z 26.0N 63.2W 130 KT 150 MPH
    24H 11/1800Z 27.0N 66.2W 135 KT 155 MPH
    36H 12/0600Z 28.6N 69.3W 135 KT 155 MPH
    48H 12/1800Z 30.4N 72.2W 130 KT 150 MPH
    72H 13/1800Z 33.7N 77.0W 120 KT 140 MPH
    96H 14/1800Z 35.6N 78.8W 50 KT 60 MPH...INLAND
    120H 15/1800Z 36.5N 79.5W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND

    $$
    Forecaster Blake


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,115 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Don’t be surprised if she is Cat 5 by next advisory


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,706 Mod ✭✭✭✭star gazer


    Maryland has declared a state of emergency.
    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well mandatory is good in this instance as it's the one thing that I've noticed with hurricanes in America is that there seems to be an attitude of "it won't be as bad as they say" which isn't a good one to have. If I've learnt anything from the good people of this forum, it's that weather services and governments don't put out warnings for the fun of it.

    It's understandable that people are reluctant when told to leave their homes but as you say the warnings aren't put out lightly and this is forecast to be a devastating landfall of a major hurricane with impacts well inland as well as on the coast. The landscape on the coast in the worst impact areas won't look the same if Florence makes landfall as expected in the forecast.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    star gazer wrote: »
    Maryland has declared a state of emergency.

    Never realised Maryland had such complex geography. Coastline everywhere!
    Makes this look like a very sensible approach despite being north of the direct forecast path.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,336 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    If/When she goes through her eyewall replacement cycle will be the next watch. If it happens as it approaches landfall, it could take a lot of the sting out of the winds


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,675 ✭✭✭ronnie3585


    The way it stalls from Thursday into Saturday is scary. It's going to be a major flooding event.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Rikand wrote: »
    If/When she goes through her eyewall replacement cycle will be the next watch. If it happens as it approaches landfall, it could take a lot of the sting out of the winds

    Yes, increased wind shear will also have a dampening effect. I'm thinking upper C3 or lower C4 on landfall personally.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    ronnie3585 wrote: »
    The way it stalls from Thursday into Saturday is scary. It's going to be a major flooding event.

    That seems to be the fear, could be another Harvey. It's the floods that tend to cause the damage from hurricanes. Storm surge and the constant rain from a stalling system.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    cian1500ww wrote: »
    130 knots measured about 30 minutes ago:

    195700 2526N 06044W 7280 02401 9598 +142 //// 138129 130 117 034 05

    That 130 is the peak 10-second windspeed, not the usual 1-minute average, which will be less.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    18Z SHIPS LGEM forecast has it decreasing steadily before landfall at about 78 hours. Somewhere Cat 3/2.

    TIME (HR) | 0 | 6 | 12 | 18 | 24 | 36 | 48 | 60 | 72 | 84 | 96 | 108 | 120
    V (KT) NO LAND | 120 | 127 | 129 | 132 | 132 | 133 | 133 | 131 | 125 | 116 | 110 | 102 | 106
    V (KT) LAND | 120 | 127 | 129 | 132 | 132 | 133 | 133 | 131 | 125 | 80 | 44 | 32 | 28
    V (KT) LGEM | 120 | 129 | 133 | 135 | 136 | 136 | 134 | 125 | 116 | 74 | 41 | 31 | 28
    LAND (KM) | 930 | 888 | 864 | 894 | 905 | 962 | 622 | 321 | 77 | -92 | -160 | -228 | -295


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