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UFC 251 - Usman vs Masvidal Sat July 11th

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  • #122
    iLikeWaffles
    Registered Users Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭iLikeWaffles


    Mellor wrote: »
    It absolutely should have been stoped earlier.

    But to in all honestly, sometimes the best intelligent defence is to shell up and protect your head. Tough spot from Also to get out of alive.

    Turtle is simply a terrible position (in MMA)

    If there was 20 seconds left in the round I'd agree, but there wasn't! That position is an automatic stoppage but a shorter period of what that ref went to. Crazy ref.


  • #123
    hawaii501
    Registered Users Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭hawaii501


    Masvidal by KO/TKO
    Yeah and the noise of the shots he was taking, weren't just jabs for the sake of it.

    Would agree maybe if it was the last minute to hang on but was going from 20secs into the round.

    Hopefully a rematch of the first fight here. Should be a good one.


  • #124
    iLikeWaffles
    Registered Users Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭iLikeWaffles


    There was one punch that opened Aldo up, the blood on the mat was ridiculous for the short distance Yan threw it, lethal. Blood stain still there.


  • #125
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 38,998 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Aldo by KO/TKO
    iLikeWaffles wrote: »
    If there was 20 seconds left in the round I'd agree, but there wasn't! That position is an automatic stoppage but a shorter period of what that ref went to. Crazy ref.

    The time left in the round is irrelevant to the ref’s decision.
    And I agreed it should have been stopped sooner.

    I was just also pointing out that sometimes shelling up and “doing nothing” is the most intelligent defence is a bad spot.
    Conversely fans will typically complain if a fight is stopped if a fighter is actively moving - even if that movement is leaving him unprotected.


  • #126
    martyos121
    Registered Users Posts: 21,332 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    Holloway very much looking like his old self tonight, very sharp and finding the target consistently.


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  • #127
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Yan by Sub
    Alexander getting lit up, c'mon max


  • #128
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Yan by Sub
    I'm on the max wagon, Alex from the vlogs is dry as fcuk


  • #129
    iLikeWaffles
    Registered Users Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭iLikeWaffles


    Mellor wrote: »
    The time left in the round is irrelevant to the ref’s decision.
    And I agreed it should have been stopped sooner.

    I was just also pointing out that sometimes shelling up and “doing nothing” is the most intelligent defence is a bad spot.
    Conversely fans will typically complain if a fight is stopped if a fighter is actively moving - even if that movement is leaving him unprotected.

    Shelling up like that is defeat, it's up to the ref to recognise that. Fine line between defeat and brain damage. Obviously the ref took his fair share of punches.


  • #130
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Yan by Sub
    Am I understanding this right, only difference is max is matching the point scoring of leg kicks from the first fight


  • #131
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 38,998 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Aldo by KO/TKO
    martyos121 wrote: »
    Holloway very much looking like his old self tonight, very sharp and finding the target consistently.

    He looks great. I have him edging it, but I haven’t been scoring round by round


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  • #132
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 38,998 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Aldo by KO/TKO
    iLikeWaffles wrote: »
    Shelling up like that is defeat,.
    Ok, what is your alternative intelligent way of defending from there?

    Obviously not getting into that position is optimal.


  • #133
    martyos121
    Registered Users Posts: 21,332 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    I’d give that to Max 48-47, but honestly it could go either way and I wouldn’t question the decision.


  • #134
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Yan by Sub
    Max 3-2 from me


  • #135
    darced
    Registered Users Posts: 7,056 ✭✭✭darced


    Toss up there


  • #136
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Yan by Sub
    Balls!!


  • #137
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,145 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Such a close fight! I have the first 3 rounds to Max but that 3rd is a 10-10 in an ideal world


  • #138
    Hello 2D Person Below
    Registered Users Posts: 13,755 ✭✭✭✭Hello 2D Person Below


    Aldo by KO/TKO
    Disgraceful decision.


  • #139
    martyos121
    Registered Users Posts: 21,332 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    A fight of two halves there, and the coin fell in Volkanovski’s favour. Razor close decision though, I’m eager to see how evenly split the MMA journos will be on it.


  • #140
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,381 ✭[Deleted User]


    Definitely wasn't expecting that decision.


  • #141
    finglashoop
    Registered Users Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    Yan by Sub
    Clearly 3-2 to max.

    Awful decision


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  • #142
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users Posts: 9,949 ✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Classic UFC robbery, what fight are the judges watching at all?


  • #143
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Aldo by KO/TKO
    Thought max took it but very close fight.


  • #144
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Aldo by KO/TKO
    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    Classic UFC robbery, what fight are the judges watching at all?

    Not a robbery in the slightest.


  • #145
    darced
    Registered Users Posts: 7,056 ✭✭✭darced


    I'd have preferred Max to win but during that 3rd round when Bisping was saying Max should be 3 up I felt that Volk was winning the round so 3-2 Volk would have been my card.


  • #146
    bmcc10
    Registered Users Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭bmcc10


    How can people call that a robbery it was razor close


  • #147
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,145 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    Classic UFC robbery, what fight are the judges watching at all?

    If you had Max winning, fair enough.

    But to call that a robbery is ludicrous. The judges were watching the same fight I was anyway.


  • #148
    oyvey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭oyvey


    The knockdowns in the early rounds should count for more than it appears they did.


  • #149
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,145 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    oyvey wrote: »
    The knockdowns in the early rounds should count for more than it appears they did.

    They did count. They won Max the rounds.

    He lost 3, 4 & 5 though in the eyes of two of the judges. That was the problem.


  • #150
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Aldo by KO/TKO
    oyvey wrote: »
    The knockdowns in the early rounds should count for more than it appears they did.

    Flash knock-downs that did not damage.


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  • #151
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Aldo by KO/TKO
    MrStuffins wrote: »
    They did count. They won Max the rounds.

    He lost 3, 4 & 5 though in the eyes of two of the judges. That was the problem.

    He's hinting towards a 10-8 rule.


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