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08-11-2018, 20:52   #16
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I read somewhere that 80% of the components inside Apple products are not actually made by Apple. Its basically generic parts from various companies but nicely packaged externally.
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Absolute and utter nonsense. Apple products are expensive but they are superior. I wouldn’t touch an android phone or a windows laptop.
They're expensive because of the billions of dollars ploughed into the marketing behind their products.

Which seemingly has worked a treat on you.
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same for iPhones far far better designed, better made and much better software as the software and hardware integration is vastly better than android and the million phone makes that use it.
Is this the same iPhones that deliberately slow themselves after a couple of years to get you to upgrade?
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You haven’t a clue, a MacBook is miles ahead of any windows laptop that are uslesless after a no time macs last for years more same for iPhones far far better designed, better made and much better software as the software and hardware integration is vastly better than android and the million phone makes that use it.

The resale value of a few years old Mac or iPhone just shows they last.

As said above, spend the same on a Windows device as you do on a macbook and you'll get all the benefits of a Macbook and more besides. You're trying to compare the likes of a €699 device from Argos to a €2199 mac. Furthermore macs don't last - that's been an issue for years.
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Following on from the "scared of technology" thread. When you look at the technology companies from a common consumer point of view, are they actually producing much of worth at all, or is it all an emperors new clothes scam?

Email was a fantastic enhancement to everyday life. The general internet, not so much.

Mobile phones were a fantastic enhancement to everyday communication. The apple iPhone 600000000000, not so much. The iterations are practically negligible, but still costing 6/7/800 quid for the "latest"? Nah.

Google/facebook/Instagram/twitter, all companies that, when you strip it to bare economic basics, are gloried advertising companies. Somehow they are "worth" billions and trillions, despite producing sweet FA in reality.

Computers/laptops/operating systems, their utility for the average person peaked like 10 years ago, everything since then has been 1 step forward, 1 step back ad infinitum. A joke to maintain their prices. Now you can load a webpage in 0.001 seconds instead of 0.002 seconds. Wow, let me give you another 600 euro for that life-altering thing! An average, capable laptop should be around the hundred euro mark by now, IMO.

Consumer technologies, generally, have to be the most over-hyped products going, to a ridiculous degree. Are there any exceptions were these things are actually justifying their prices over time? Should people start screaming about the emperor being in the pure nip?
The general internet not so much!?

What do you actually think the internet is?
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Not all but many consumer electronics seem to have a fixed average price point for a high range model.

A couple of years ago I found an old newspaper from 1995 or so with a full page ad for phones. They were £200.

An €800 iPhone is similar money today taking inflation and disposable income into account.

The manufacturers keep innovating to keep justifying the high price which would fall otherwise due to competition, market saturation, etc.

But for a given item the "high price " remains remarkably static in real terms over the years.
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I read somewhere that 80% of the components inside Apple products are not actually made by Apple. Its basically generic parts from various companies but nicely packaged externally.
Same goes for pretty much all electronic devices and components
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As said above, spend the same on a Windows device as you do on a macbook and you'll get all the benefits of a Macbook and more besides. You're trying to compare the likes of a €699 device from Argos to a €2199 mac. Furthermore macs don't last - that's been an issue for years.
I’m doing no such thing, my work laptop in my last job was more expensive, higher spec on paper and newer than my MacBook Pro and it couldn’t even get close to it. Ended up in the drawer and I used my personal MacBook for work. Windows is awful and the hardware like touch pads etc are like trying to move an mouse with an oven glove when you get used to the Mac.

Thankfully my new job provides macs by default and only give a windows machine if you specifically request it.

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Same goes for pretty much all electronic devices and components
Ah but when they're Apple generics they're special </sarcasm>
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The general internet not so much!?

What do you actually think the internet is?
Probably depends on who you ask, seems to be plenty of people* that don't use it for much beyond social media, porn, music and Youtube (giving that it's own classification as it seems to have developed a whole new generation of ****e)

Of course for others it's more akin to the greatest repository of knowledge that the world has ever seen, all right there at your finger tips.

(*the kind of people that don't know the difference between repository and suppository)
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I’m doing no such thing, my work laptop in my last job was more expensive, higher spec on paper and newer than my MacBook Pro and it couldn’t even get close to it. Ended up in the drawer and I used my personal MacBook for work. Windows is awful and the hardware like touch pads etc are like trying to move an mouse with an oven glove when you get used to the Mac.
Everyone gets all hetted up about widows and Mac OS

I work with both. Find them both perfectly usable. They both have their individual strengths.

Windows 10 is in the main an OS gets out of your way. That's pretty much all I expect from it.
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One Plus 6... Sweet as a nut
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Same goes for pretty much all electronic devices and components
Yup, once you start looking a bit deeper there's only really a handful of manufacturers that make components. That goes for pretty much any kind of electronic hardware.
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No-one is forced to buy any of this stuff. Of course if people wish to pay over the top for things, someone else will in all likelihood step into the breech to sell it to them....
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I’m doing no such thing, my work laptop in my last job was more expensive, higher spec on paper and newer than my MacBook Pro and it couldn’t even get close to it. Ended up in the drawer and I used my personal MacBook for work. Windows is awful and the hardware like touch pads etc are like trying to move an mouse with an oven glove when you get used to the Mac.
You like Macs, great. Apple isn't a football team though so you can put the scarf and flag away.

Both are equally useful to those that want to use either.
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