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04-11-2018, 08:21   #16
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No she got what she wanted. A real nasty piece of work that one. Again our taxes pay her wages. And she attacked him earlier in the show too. You can tell she is a stuck up bitch in love with herself.
Is that an After Hours euphemism for self-confident woman? If it's any consolation, as somebody who's not enough of a pleb to watch reality tv I had never heard of her until now so you might make a great employee in her PR department.
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Please take a moment out of your Sunday morning to watch this short snippit.

It was made by the American government in 1943

It's incredibly apt right now in America. In the UK and frankly to this entire threads permise. I'm in no doubt that there is ultras that will sneer at it but I don't really care. If the ones on the fence that are willfully vilifiying an entire group of people get it then it's done it's job.

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She's unfunny and painfully annoying.
She sure is....

I don't understand how failing on the apprentice got her a TV gig, she's not funny is a poor sctor and is pretty unrelatable (to me at least)

Though the same could be said about many of RTEs favourites
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Gonna leave this here one last time before the thread is closed.

''Everyone should be treated equally and the State should not discriminate against anybody.'' -Peter Casey
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Please take a moment out of your Sunday morning to watch this short snippit.

It was made by the American government in 1943

It's incredibly apt right now in America. In the UK and frankly to this entire threads permise. I'm in no doubt that there is ultras that will sneer at it but I don't really care. If the ones on the fence that are willfully vilifiying an entire group of people get it then it's done it's job.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JamesMelv...91043696345088
That was actually really, really informative, it threw a huge light on America at the time. Watching the WASP's reaction change when the speaker mentioned Freemasons after Catholics and Negroes was like watching a film based on Martin Niemöller's "First they came for the Communists...".
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Gonna leave this here one last time before the thread is closed.

''Everyone should be treated equally and the State should not discriminate against anybody.'' -Peter Casey
Then act like that quote. Please. Act like it.

Demonisation and vilification is what this thread has been.

Nothing more. That line does not describe this thread.

My post above is exactly what this thread is about. Everyone should watch it.


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Gonna leave this here one last time before the thread is closed.

''Everyone should be treated equally and the State should not discriminate against anybody.'' -Peter Casey
Great point, there are so many different cultures and ethnicities here now that to single out any of them as having special status above any other is indeed discriminatory.
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Great point, there are so many different cultures and ethnicities here now that to single out any of them as having special status above any other is indeed discriminatory.
Any equally to target them for special treatment of Ire , anger and vilification comes under the same umbrella
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Great point, there are so many different cultures and ethnicities here now that to single out any of them as having special status above any other is indeed discriminatory.
Well that's progress I suppose that you recognise they are an ethnicity.

Next is to get you to see and understand that it does not confer any 'extra' equality on them.

And before we go down the rabbithole again, an 'entitlement' is not an extra right. Democratic and caring societies give extra entitlements and make special provision for, many many sections of society. And indeed, this community had entitlements and extra provision in law, long before SEMS, just like the disabled, the elderly, single mothers etc etc.

As previously pointed out, abuse of the above happens but has to be tolerated, to a degree, if we wish to live in a democratic, caring society.
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Any equally to target them for special treatment of Ire , anger and vilification comes under the same umbrella
If you can't see the reasoning behind the suspicion of travellers where you live then you live in a bubble.
I don't hate them, but I know enough about them to not want any dealings with them, so I just ignore them and when they turn up in the yard uninvited, which is regularly and the reason everything is locked up, I just tell them I don't want what they are trying to sell or the services they are offering.
Doesn't stop them coming back mind, but I've a firm stance on how I deal with them. You can make your own mind up on yours.
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Well that's progress I suppose that you recognise they are an ethnicity.

Next is to get you to see and understand that it does not confer any 'extra' equality on them.

And before we go down the rabbithole again, an 'entitlement' is not an extra right. Democratic and caring societies give extra entitlements and make special provision for, many many sections of society. And indeed, this community had entitlements and extra provision in law, long before SEMS, just like the disabled, the elderly, single mothers etc etc.

As previously pointed out, abuse of the above happens but has to be tolerated, to a degree, if we wish to live in a democratic, caring society.
Never said they weren't, but what's so "special" about it?
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If you can't see the reasoning behind the suspicion of travellers where you live then you live in a bubble.
I don't hate them, but I know enough about them to not want any dealings with them, so I just ignore them and when they turn up in the yard uninvited, which is regularly and the reason everything is locked up, I just tell them I don't want what they are trying to sell or the services they are offering.
Doesn't stop them coming back mind, but I've a firm stance on how I deal with them. You can make your own mind up on yours.
The video was entirely lost on you

And you reverted straight back to normal service.

Congratulations.

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The video was entirely lost on you

And you reverted straight back to normal service.

Congratulations.

Happy Sunday
I will, you too. I'm off to a market to do a stall, I'll be beside a few travellers, we'll have a chat and d craic too, how many of them will you be chatting to today?
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Never said they weren't, but what's so "special" about it?
The 'ethnicity' is not special, there are many ethnicities as you say. The 'status' is 'special' because we conferred it to aid in inclusivity and parity of esteem.
Get the image of a criminal (who should all be treated equally) out of your head for a minute and read this maybe and you will see that the status should not threaten you or anybody else.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/soci...lers-1.2993526

It is no co-incidence that Kenny mentions the GFA in his address to the House, it also was conceived to aid inclusivness and parity of esteem and allow for 'overlapping identities', but nobody would ever suggest it makes one identity more equal than the other.

https://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/New...arch_2017.html
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I will, you too. I'm off to a market to do a stall, I'll be beside a few travellers, we'll have a chat and d craic too, how many of them will you be chatting to today?
Not many , I've no business with travellers today.
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