3 New Navy Vessels for Irish Naval Service

source · 08-02-2014 12:50am

Can't see there being a problem with the P60s in the basin, they're only 6m longer than Eithne.

zone 1 · 08-02-2014 9:18am

source wrote: »

Can't see there being a problem with the P60s in the basin, they're only 6m longer than Eithne.

problem sorted next issue has there been any new pictures put up yet close ups.

goldie fish · 08-02-2014 10:21am

The West wall work will only be done when the east tip is cleaned. This work is delayed due to the condition of the bridge to the island, which also needs to be repaired. In the long term the NS would like to have use of both the Dry Dock and the West wall, but at present to do so would mean they also get landed with the responsibility of cleaning up a toxic mess that was not of their making. There is plenty of room in the basin for P61. Remember all the ships will never be in the basin at the same time.

There are no close up photos yet because
(a) the ship is still property of Babcock, and in their property
(b) nearest place to take photo is the other side of the river Torridge, a half km away. The photos taken so far have been taken with large lenses. This is the normal scene, without zoom lens.

goldie fish · 08-02-2014 1:16pm

Taken yesterday.

07-02-14 The 'LE Samuel Beckett' at Appledore today by James Lennie, on Flickr

zone 1 · 08-02-2014 3:46pm

cheers goldie..

nowecant · 10-02-2014 11:27am

Looks great.

Looking at goldies pic and one of Le Niamh from google i cant really see where the extra 11+ meters in length is? Yes some of it looks to be at the back for room for the containers but not all of it....

Has anyone got a link to outline drawings of the Roisin class? It might eb nice to make a composite image for the wikipedia page showing the changes.

Lastly, both of these ships and the previous Roisin class ships do not look very tall compared to other ships of a similar size/purpose. Has this something to do with the Atlantic swell ? or am i just imagining it?

Thanks

goldie fish · 10-02-2014 11:56am

nowecant wrote: »

Looks great.

Looking at goldies pic and one of Le Niamh from google i cant really see where the extra 11+ meters in length is? Yes some of it looks to be at the back for room for the containers but not all of it....

Has anyone got a link to outline drawings of the Roisin class? It might eb nice to make a composite image for the wikipedia page showing the changes.

Lastly, both of these ships and the previous Roisin class ships do not look very tall compared to other ships of a similar size/purpose. Has this something to do with the Atlantic swell ? or am i just imagining it?

Thanks

Look harder.

As for the height/length proportions, the taller the ship, the worse the roll. What other ships are you comparing it to?

beauf · 10-02-2014 12:18pm

Seems longer between the bridge and funnel.

Nice looking vessels them all.

sparky42 · 10-02-2014 1:02pm

Is it just me or does the area around the air intake look larger on the Beckett? The Rib. Looks closer to it than it does on the Roisin

spank_inferno · 10-02-2014 1:40pm

The Wikipedia image is my favourite, seeing it compared to the employee at the bottom of the image.

Larbre34 · 10-02-2014 3:42pm

Never fails to amaze how little timber can hold up 2,000 tons of steel.

Larbre34 · 10-02-2014 3:45pm

This little image of her tying up (presumably at the Appledore berth) has appeared on the Wiki

goldie fish · 10-02-2014 3:52pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Never fails to amaze how little timber can hold up 2,000 tons of steel.

It isn't 2000 tonnes in weight. It merely displaces that much water. It weighs much less in steel.
Consider this, a 20 tonne truck is held up by a few bits of rubber that make no greater than a square inch of contact with the ground at any one time..

It's not about what is holding it up, but how balanced it is. A tower crane can be 40 metres high, with a 50 metre reach, yet it only needs four square metres of a footprint on the ground.

goldie fish · 10-02-2014 3:55pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

This little image of her tying up (presumably at the Appledore berth) has appeared on the Wiki

Taken on launch day, note tricolour bunting, and absence of masts.

smcgiff · 10-02-2014 3:58pm

goldie fish wrote: »

It isn't 2000 tonnes in weight. It merely displaces that much water.

But, istn't that what the Archimedes' principle states?!?

Tabnabs · 10-02-2014 4:04pm

Tonnage is a funny thing with ships, it can refer to weight or volume:

nowecant · 27-02-2014 12:58pm

Does anyone have any more news on this?

Have the sea trails started, is there an expected delivery date?

Fianna88 · 05-03-2014 6:49am

The sea trials have started she will arrive in a couple of months all going well.

a/tel · 05-03-2014 6:59pm

Fianna88 wrote: »

The sea trials have started she will arrive in a couple of months all going well.

Nope, she is still at Appledore.

Sea trials will be based from another port as can only berth at high water in Appledore.

Fianna88 · 05-03-2014 11:37pm

Oh really? Word going around was they have started sea trials im actually based in Haulbowline just rumours as usual then, :-(

a/tel · 06-03-2014 1:10am

Fianna88 wrote: »

Oh really? Word going around was they have started sea trials im actually based in Haulbowline just rumours as usual then, :-(

Have a look at www.marinetraffic.com, her AIS is showing alongside Appledore. No movement yet.

nowecant · 28-03-2014 7:13pm

Has anyone got any updates on Sam? Or even the new ship, I believe they have started cutting steel.

www.marinetraffic.com wont show her location for me any more

nowecant · 29-03-2014 2:30pm

Thank christ for the Irish Independent and their stellar reporting (sorry couldn't resist).

Can the "Star Wars" drones be called R2-D2 AND C-3PO?
Ill get my coat...

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/waiting-for-beckett-navy-to-get-new-ship-in-weeks-29884493.html

Ralph Riegel – Published 03 January 2014 02:30 AM

THE Naval Service's new €50m 'Star Wars' patrol vessel will be delivered in six weeks after undergoing sea trials in the UK.

The LE Samuel Beckett will replace the 35-year-old LE Emer which was sold at auction last October to an African consortium.

The new ship will bring Ireland's fleet back to full capacity with a second new vessel, LE James Joyce, due for delivery in 2015.

The new ships, built by Babcock Marine in the UK, are developments of the design chosen for the LE Roisin/LE Niamh in 1997. However, the LE Samuel Beckett boasts so-called 'Star Wars' technology and is capable of operating remotely controlled drones or aerial vehicles.

Naval Service officials confirmed that the new ship will dramatically increase the technological capacity of the navy both in terms of surveillance and incident response times.

The ability to operate drones, which are already used by the Defence Forces, will also dramatically increase the navy's patrol and surveillance capabilities.

The ship can similarly operate remotely controlled mini-submarines. With a top speed of 23 knots, the new ships are faster than the vessels they replace.

Ireland has an option for a third vessel from the UK yard but the order can be stalled until 2015.

The Government has insisted the deal represents value for money and warned that Ireland cannot afford to revert to the "bad old days" of the 40s and 50s, when the Naval Service was totally reliant on a fleet of ageing and obsolete former Royal Navy corvettes.

The new ships are the first commissioned for the Naval Service in a decade.

mikeym · 31-03-2014 10:47am

Sam being put through its paces it seems on AIS website.

Cant wait to see it in Haulbowline.

Tabnabs · 31-03-2014 11:22am

23 knots? Surely they are capable of doing in excess of 30 if necessary?

Or is 23 the "cruising speed"?

sparky42 · 31-03-2014 11:27am

Tabnabs wrote: »

23 knots? Surely they are capable of doing in excess of 30 if necessary?

Or is 23 the "cruising speed"?

No she's designed for the mid 20's with better low speed characteristics, her cruising speed would be around 12-15 knots from memory.

comongethappy · 31-03-2014 8:49pm

I wonder will smaller faster vessels ever be considered for future procurement?

Mr. Tezza · 31-03-2014 8:59pm

Just has a look at marinetraffic.com there for the craic, saw sam on it, was just off the west coast of england, south of wales

sparky42 · 31-03-2014 9:50pm

comongethappy wrote: »

I wonder will smaller faster vessels ever be considered for future procurement?

Why? They can't really operate in adverse weather, would have shorter at sea times and wouldn't be able to operate off the West Coast.

The Beckett's are limited to the mid 20 speed, as the Navy wanted it at that speed (costs), they also wanted it at this minimum length/displacement for West Coast operations.

50 million + 5 for the 76mm isn't a huge cost and gives much better long term value than something light and limited.

OS119 · 01-04-2014 10:44am

comongethappy wrote: »

I wonder will smaller faster vessels ever be considered for future procurement?

why?

to quote the long lamented Goldie Fish, 'steel is cheap and air is free' - bigger ships, that can handle rougher weather, stay out longer, carry more stuff and are more capable of being modified should the situation require it at a later date, are cheaper - per tonne - than smaller ships.

the NS ships don't need fearsome speed, they need lots of endurance, be comfortable/stable enough to piss off into the North Atlantic in February for 4 weeks without having to run for cover when the wind blows, be heli/UAV capable, and - lets face it - be adaptable enough so that should the strategic situation change half way through their lives, they could be reconfigured from OPV's to small GP Frigates.

none of which you could do with a smaller boat that was 90% fuel and engine...

3 New Navy Vessels for Irish Naval Service

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