Forbidden Archaeology

I was thinking about gobleki tepe when a something occurred to me those pillars look like

Tau Crosses



Göbekli Tepe

These crosses are ancient symbols across the world .they are also very important symbols in Freemasonary /Christiianity ..

The Tau (or T-shaped) Cross:
Hopi-Maya-Egyptian Connections

It is interesting to note that when Moses entered the Sinai desert, he found the Midianite tribe (also called the Kenites) wearing the T-shape on their foreheads. This sign, which represented their god of storms (bringing water) and war (thunder), later became known as the "Yahweh Mark."

Much later Jesus may well have been crucified on a Tau or St. Anthony's cross rather instead of on the Latin cross we think of today, though this will probably be forever debated.

In his classic book Atlantis: the Antediluvian World, Ignatius Donnelly states that tau was an important icon signifying "hidden wisdom" for Mexicans as well as for Peruvians, Egyptians, Phoenicians, and Chaldeans. In general, it was emblematic of rejuvenation, freedom from physical suffering, hope, immortality, and divine unity.

Thus we have seen how many cultures associate the T-shape with burgeoning new life, the rising sun, psycho-spiritual journeying, and ultimate resurrection. Sometimes the simplest symbols contain the deepest meanings.

http://www.theorionzone.com/t_shape.htm

The Cross of Tau is also called the Tau Cross, St. Anthony's Cross, the Old Testament Cross, the Anticipatory Cross, the Cross Commissee, the Egyptian Cross, the Advent Cross, Croce taumata, "Saint Francis's Cross" or the Crux Commissa. Hence, this cross is often used during the Advent season. It also appears on the arms of the ancient de Lemos clan of Spain and Portugal, which according to family sites also represents a meeting place and the balance of justice and trade.

As with Christianity, other ancient societies who used the "Tau" symbol also expanded upon its symbolism to include life, resurrection, reincarnation, and blood sacrifice.[citation needed] These crosses are rare, and only a few are left in the world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Tau

Done a bit of searching for pictures the only palce I could find them represented in stone is gobleki tepe and one other place Ireland

That got me thinking about Michael Tsarion and his theory about The Irish origins of civilization
I watched the video a long time ago as far as I can remember he maintained that ancient Irish Druids/priests travelled west to east bringing their knowledge with them after the deluge/flood



I think I will have to watch it again when I get a few hours to spare

Tau Crosses in Ireland





Tory Island Tau Cross

This is probably one of the most recognisable images of Tory. The cross, made of one piece of mica slate, 1.9m/6' 3" high and 1.1m/3' 6" wide, stands beside the pier and dates from the 6th century or perhaps earlier. The cross is of great imporance to the people of the island and many fishermen still pray at it before setting off to sea.

As we have said, the Tau Cross on tory is made of mica slate which is not found on Tory. Mica was used in ancient Egypt and the Tau Cross shape was used by the Coptic Christians, who came from Egypt. The link here is in connection with Killybegs on mainland Donegal where there is a Holy Well set on a hill just outside the town. The well is called St. Catherine's Well. The St. Catherine it is named for is St. Catherine of Alexandria (in Egypt). The well was founded by three men (holy men or scholars it is thought) many centuries ago and the story goes that they hit very stormy waters and prayed to reach safe land. They prayed to St. Catherine and promised that if she saved them and they made it to land, they would found a Holy Well in her name. They did land safely, washed up at Killybegs and founded St. Catherine's Well. So, we don't know how the Tau Cross got to Tory or where it came from but there are some interesting links between areas of Donegal and Egypt

http://www.welovedonegal.com/islands-tory-island.html

Or is it possible that the cross was brought from ancient Egypt by princess Scotia or her husband the Pharoah
Could they have brought it to show the people of ireland that they were familiar with their ancient people and their knowledge that they learned from the druids.
Could Tsarion be onto something did anciet Irish travel across Europe 1000,s of years ago did they settle in turkey and form a base there and set up Gobleki tepe as temples using the tau cross Did they leave under some kind of threat and decided to cover up their temples and head on to egypt and teach their ways to the egyptians

According to several references in medieval Irish mythology Scotia, wife of the former Milesius and mother of six sons, was killed in battle with the legendary Tuatha Dé Danann on the nearby Slieve Mish mountain. Scotia had come to Ireland in 1,700BC, [3]to avenge the death of her husband, the King who had been wounded in a previous ambush in south Kerry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotia%27s_Grave



Tau Cross formerly at Kilnaboy, Co.Clare.



St Begnet's Church .Dalkey




Freemasonry

There are three distinct forms of the cross. The first is called the TAU (more correctly the TAV). It closely resembles the modern letter T, consisting of a horizontal bar resting on a vertical column, the two arms being of equal length. An oak tree cut off some feet above the ground and its upper part laid across the lower in this form was the symbol of the Druid god Hu. It is suspected that this symbol originated among the Egyptians from the spread of the horns of a bull or ram (Taurus or Aries) and the vertical line of its face. This is sometimes designated as the hammer cross, because if held by its vertical base it is not unlike a mallet or gavel. In one of the Qabbalistic Masonic legends, CHiram Abiff is given a hammer in the form of a TAU by his ancestor, Tubal-cain. The TAU cross is preserved to modern Masonry under the symbol of the T square. This appears to be the oldest form of the cross extant.

The TAU cross was inscribed on the forehead of every person admitted into the Mysteries of Mithras. When a king was initiated into the Egyptian Mysteries, the TAU was placed against his lips. It was tattooed upon the bodies of the candidates in some of the American Indian Mysteries. To the Qabbalist, the TAU stood for heaven and the Pythagorean tetractys. The Caduceus of Hermes was an outgrowth of the TAU cross. (See Albert Pike.)

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/secret_teachings/sta45.htm

It will thus be seen that the jewel of the R.A., far from being a mere ornament, contains in itself a summary of the sublime teachings of that degree; the more so as it also has a triple tau. With regard to the tau cross, we have already shown in our earlier handbooks that in its origin it was a Phallic symbol representing the Creative power. We shall remember also that we make a tau cross every time we receive the S.s in the Craft Degrees. Thus the M.M. has himself made the triple tau. It is also worth reminding our readers that only those who have passed the chair and actually ruled a Lodge are entitled to wear three tau crosses on their aprons

http://www.mastermason.com/luxocculta/higher.htm

This enigmatic symbol of Egypt represents in its simplest interpretation ‘eternal life’ and was often found in the names of Pharaoh’s such as the infamous Tut-ankh-amun. The symbol is often depicted being held by a god to a Pharaoh, giving him life, or held by a Pharaoh to his people, giving them life – this basically set aside the immortals, from the mortals, for anyone wearing or carrying the Ankh had gained or hoped to gain immortality. Those holding the ankh were the great magicians, the ones capable of altering reality - they had the power of the Otherworld through the device, which symbolised the access to the Otherworld. So what elements of this ankh give it this special power?

The Ankh is technically known as the Crux Ansata. It is a simple T-Cross, surmounted by an oval – called the Ru. The Ru is often seen as the portal or gateway to another dimension such as heaven, in essence, the Otherworld. The ankh therefore becomes the symbol of transition from one plain to another. It outlived Egyptian domination and was widely used by the Christians as their first cross, but in this symbol holds a clue to the secret of the serpent

http://www.thetemplebooklet.co.uk/The%20Cross%20of%20the%20Templars.htm





Tripple tau cross Sheffield Cathederal (lots of masonic carvings on the pews)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/evissa/sets/72157603736127146/with/2195219803/

Including swastikas which also come up when you search for pictures of the Tau Cross


Christianity

St. Francis of Assisi (Italian: Francesco d'Assisi, born Giovanni di Bernardone; 1181/1182 – October 3, 1226)[2] was an Italian Catholic friar and preacher. He founded the men's Franciscan Order, the women’s Order of St. Clare, and the Third Order of Saint Francis for men and women not able to live the lives of itinerant preachers followed by the early members of the Order of Friars Minor or the monastic lives of the Poor Clares.[3] Though he was never ordained to the Catholic priesthood, Francis is one of the most venerated religious figures in history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_of_Assisi



Heresy and the Inquisition. Cathar Beliefs

Some Catholics retained the Essene lifestyle while otherwise conforming. Canon 8 of the Nicene Council of 325 concerned “those who call themselves Cathari”. Canon 19 concerns “the Paulianists”. For established Christianity, the Ebionite-like or Nazarene-like Christians were a nuisance, but they persisted to become the earliest declared heretics

http://www.askwhy.co.uk/christianheresy/0810Inquisition.php



Cathar Coin showing Ankh-like Tau Cross

The franciscan order and Nazis (search for tau cross pictures brings up swastikas also )

Very revealing as to the utter fanaticism that gripped the Roman Catholic Church in Croatia during these early days of the war and the infant Croatian state, is this excerpt from the diocesan newspaper of the archdiocese of Sarajevo: "Until now, God spoke through papal encyclicals. And? They closed their ears... Now God has decided to use other methods. He will prepare missions. European missions. World missions. They will be upheld not by priests, but by army commanders. The sermons will be heard with the help of cannons, machine guns, tanks and bombers." The Ustasi were known to have publicly taken oaths in the Catholic churches, pledging to work for the eradication of the Serbs and Orthodoxy. Especially militant and very prominent in the Ustasi were members of the Franciscan Order. Immediately after the proclamation of the Ustasi state, the Croatian primate, Archbishop Alojzije Stepinac of Zagreb, gave his blessing in the name of the Roman Church to the Croatian state and established "close collaboration." (It should be pointed out, however, that the Croatian Catholic Church was, at least officially, speaking for itself at that time. The procedure for obtaining recognition by the Vatican was in full progress, but officially the Vatican still recognized the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and had diplomatic relations with the government-in-exile. In short, the Vatican gave de facto recognition to the Ustasi regime, together will full diplomatic protocol at state occasions, though never official recognition.)


On May 8, 1941, the infamous martyrdom of the Serbs of the Glina region began. The Ustasi began by killing seven Serbs. In the short time that followed, they arrested and murdered 560 people from that region. Then on May 11 a train carrying 120 Serbs stopped at Glina. They were then removed to the courtyard of a local Jewish merchant, where a number of them were killed, and the rest taken to an unknown destination.

On May 4, the Orthodox bishop of Banja Luka, Platon, was ordered by the Ustasi to leave town immediately. He then appealed to the local Catholic bishop to intercede with the authorities to grant him several days to prepare. The Catholic bishop gave him his word, but during the night six Ustasi terrorists came and arrested the hierarch. Then, together with Father Dugan Subotic, he was led some six kilometers away to the village of Vrbanja, where they were all killed. Their bodies revealed how they had been tortured. They were shaved with a blunt knife, their eyes were put out, their ears and noses cut off, and fires were lit on their chests. Their remains were found in the Vrbanja river on May 23

http://orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/serbian_newmartyrs.aspx

studiorat wrote: »

Its called the "crux commissa". The Christian cross we know today only started to appear as a symbol around the time of Constantine. The Mormons maintain that Jesus was crucified on a "crux simplex" which is basically a tree or a pole.
Either would have been simpler to construct. Early Christians most likely didn't use the cross as an icon. The first 200 years don't seem to feature crosses in the art work at all.

After circles, crosses are one of the first images drawn by children from all cultures. Not until 5 or 6 do children begin to draw culturally specific items.
I wonder how many Neolithic sites like Gobleki Tepe contain circles in their art work also.

Yea I think early christian symbols were a Fish and the anchor (which would contain the cross ) I dont really know a lot about symbolism except that it seems to be important in lots of cults religions freemasonry etc
As for publicising them Maybe getting fed to lions would put a damper on that
Gobleki Tepe was constructed in circles but the symbols were more elaborate depicting animals spiders domestic birds

The gifts of the animals

We discover the special qualities and gifts which these animals offer through experience – through exploring the world of animals and relating to them out in nature, and through interacting with them in the Otherworld too. The Ovate work in particular is focused on learning how to do this. But in addition to personal experience, we can also learn from the accumulated experience of our ancestors by studying traditional animal lore, and just as certain trees are associated in the Druid tradition with particular qualities, so certain animals have been found to mediate particular attributes too. For example: the bear, boar, cat, dog, goose, otter and raven are all associated with the quality of protection; the adder, boar, dog, frog, ram and raven are connected with healing; the owl and raven with initiation, and so on. When we need the qualities or abilities that these animals represent, we can call upon them to help us – seeing and relating to them in our inner world, dancing or singing with them, and connecting with them in the outer world too.

http://www.druidry.org/druid-way/teaching-and-practice/druid-animal-lore


The relief’s (carvings) on the pillars include foxes, lions, cattle, wild boars, herons, ducks, scorpions, ants and snakes. Some of the relief’s had been deliberately erased, maybe in preparation for new pictures. There are freestanding sculptures as well, that may represent wild boars or foxes. Comparable statues have been discovered in Nevalı Çori and Nahal Hemar.

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Anatolia_Turkey.htm

lots of the same animals deemed important by Druids and whoever built Gobleki tepe

Mysterious ancient Stone Chambers of New England



He comapres some of them to irish stone sites


he also gets into giants with double rows of teeth

Gigantism results when a growth hormone–secreting pituitary adenoma is present before epiphyseal fusion. In 1909, when Harvey Cushing examined the skeleton of an Irish patient who lived from 1761 to 1783,1-3 he noted an enlarged pituitary fossa. We extracted DNA from the patient's teeth and identified a germline mutation in the aryl hydrocarbon–interacting protein gene (AIP). Four contemporary Northern Irish families who presented with gigantism, acromegaly, or prolactinoma have the same mutation and haplotype associated with the mutated gene. Using coalescent theory, we infer that these persons share a common ancestor who lived about 57 to 66 generations earlier.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1008020

Familiar with Ireland's folkloric history as a home to giants, researcher Dr. Marta Korbonits, a professor of endocrinology and metabolism at Barts and the London School of Medicine, looked to the past and found a genetic link connecting four modern-day Northern Ireland families with one of the nation's most famous titans.

Korbonits and crew used DNA extracted from the teeth of Charles Byrne, a 7-foot-7 giant who made a big impression in London during the 18th century, to discover a genetic mutation for the pituitary problem.

In addition, they were able to connect that mutation with four modern-day Northern Ireland families, including Brendan Holland, a 6-foot-9 giant who, according to the "Today" show, would have grown to 8 feet had his tumor not been treated with radiation at the age of 19.

"I consider myself extraordinarily lucky," Holland told "Today" show correspondent Michelle Kosinski.

Holland and Byrne's inherited gene mutation for gigantism has even deeper roots: a common ancestor who lived an estimated 1,425-1,650 years earlier -- or 57-66 generations ago.


http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/20/legends-of-irish-giants-are-more-than-tall-tales/

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

I watched 2 of those Michael Tsarion vids yesterday. It's tough going simply because there's so much information to take in.....and I was stopping and starting to check things myself.

I dunno though, wouldn't it be pretty cool if it were true?
Ireland led the world and spread ancient teachings. The symbolism and etymology is incredibly interesting.
Do any of you guys know some more sites/book where I can find out more?
Do some more digging like.

I know what you mean it is tough going alright I found that while I was pondering what he had said I was missing other parts

here,s a couple of links I havent really gone through them but they look interesting

http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/The-Irish-Origins-of-Civilization-The-Servants-of-Truth-Druidic-Traditions-and-Influence-Explored.shtml

http://atlantisinireland.com/DNA/European_DNA.php


http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T100054/index.html


http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/ataw/index.htm


http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/idr/index.htm

Below you will find an Online Index to the Lebor Gab?la ?renn, based on R.A.S. Macalister's translations and notes, and compiled by Michael Murphy, New York,

http://www.ucc.ie/celt/indexLG.html

Macalister was head of the PEF in Palestine in 1900,s so Im not sure I would put much stock in his opinion the foundation of PEF seem to be littered with Freemasons and Zionists but thats just my opinion
I find it interesting that he moved from there to hill of Tara

One of his excavations Gezar

Discoveries related to biblical archaeology are eight monumental megaliths; a double cave beneath the high place, probably used for divinatory purposes; 13 inscribed boundary stones, making it the first positively identified Biblical city; a six-chambered gate similar to those found at Hazor and Megiddo; and a large water system comprising a tunnel going down to a spring, similar to that found in Jerusalem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gezer



The CT in me makes me wonder did he find a link to Ireland there ?
must try and find what was inscribed on the boundary stones (also I read somewhere else that there was 10 standing stones)

I hope you post anything interesting you come across

Here is another interesting stone circle

The Island of Er Lannic in the Golfe de Morbihan has a circle of stones (cromlech) on its southeastern side, half of which is submerged at high tide.

If you look carefully there is a second stone circle completely submerged off the coast, making a figure-of-eight pattern with the first.








http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=9253

shedweller wrote: »

So we had some level of intelligence before the sea rose above these points. What dates do we have on these? Ya know where i'm going with this, right?

On the islet of Er Lannic, 500m (0.3mi) south of Gavrinis, there are two stone circles, both made of some 60 stones. They are now half submerged by the waters of the Gulf of Morbihan, but in prehistoric times they stood on the mainland. Only the northern circle can be seen, the southern one being entirely submerged.
Er Lannic is now a Bird Reserve and cannot be visited, so the northern stone circle is visible only from the air or by boat (the boat to Gavrinis passes nearby: Don't forget your binoculars for a good view). This circle, half submerged, is 65m (213ft) in diameter and its stones are 2 to 5.4m (6.5 to 17.7ft) high.
The site was excavated in the 20s by Zacharie Le Rouzic, who calculated that Er Lannic had been erected about 5000 years ago. He found around each stone a cist containing charcoal, animal bones, worked flints, pottery, and a lot of polished axes. Two stones are carved with axes and a yoke, and one of the uprights' packing stones has nine cupmarks (according to Le Rouzic, arranged to form the outline of the constellation Ursa Major). The southern submerged stone circle is horseshoe-shaped open to the east, 61m (200ft) in diameter.
Two outlying stones, now fallen and below the water, lie east and west 50m (164ft) and 90m (295ft) from the circle, on a line tangent to the visible ring's northern corner, marked by the highest stone of the circle (5.4m - 17.7ft). At the southern tip of the submerged horseshoe there was a great pillar called the blacksmith's stone by fishermen. These lines to cardinal points had probably some astronomical connections, presumably to the moonsets.

http://www.stonepages.com/france/erlannic.html

According to this its 5000 years old do you think it could be older ?

By the mid-Holocene period, 6000-5000 years ago, glacial melting had essentially ceased, while ongoing adjustments of Earth's lithosphere due to removal of the ice sheets gradually decreased over time. Thus, sea level continued to drop in formerly glaciated regions and rise in areas peripheral to the former ice sheets. At many low-latitude ocean islands and coastal sites distant from the effects of glaciation, sea level stood several meters higher than present during the mid-Holocene and has been falling ever since. This phenomenon is due to lithospheric responses to changes in ice and water loading. Water is "siphoned" away from the central equatorial ocean basins into depressed areas peripheral to long-gone ice sheets. Loading by meltwater that has been added to the oceans also depresses far-field continental shelves, tilting the shoreline upward and thus lowering local sea level. Over the past few thousand years, the rate of sea level rise remained fairly low, probably not exceeding a few tenths of a millimeter per year

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/gornitz_09/

does this help determine when it was covered

^^^^^
Systematic Destruction of History.:mad:

Torakx wrote: »

That belt in the carving does seem a bit advanced.
But then again I havent seen a good answer for how they know when it was carved.

Im guessing that they dated the construction of the site at 12000 yrs with carbon dating and other methods
And comparing it to to the site that was flooded lending support to their time frame
So if you presume that the carvings would not be done while the stones are in situ because of breakages / errors etc

I guess you could conclude that they were carved prior to been erected which would give the date of of about 12000 years

Do you have a CT angle that the dates are being manipulated for some other reason ?

Round and round in circles we go. It's infuriating! There are those among us that have no direction, no sense of respect for history. Only war.
Where's the water flouridation when you need it? They are all bonkers down there!