The Hobby Horses of Belief (and assorted hazards)

ohnonotgmail · 24-01-2023 4:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120151221#Comment_120151221

and he has since returned to the school.

oscarBravo · 24-01-2023 6:28pm

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robindch · 24-01-2023 9:41pm

Not often I get down on my knees to pray, but I'm going to be very disappointed in the christian deity if it's not pissing sleet in thunderous winds outside Wilson's Hospital School, Co. Westmeath tomorrow morning at 08:30.

robindch · 24-01-2023 9:53pm

btw, the Times of London notes that some of the students had the measure of this endlessly attention-seeking gobshite:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/staff-concerned-enoch-burke-will-cause-more-disruption-at-school-as-former-pupils-speak-out-smssnfrdr

Hotblack Desiato · 25-01-2023 2:09am

If there's any possible wind-up angle with a teacher you can guarantee that kids will find it 😉 unless the teacher is genuinely well-liked of course

robindch · 26-01-2023 12:57pm

Poor Enoch looks set to become poorer still - by €700 per day after the High Court ruled that he'll be slapped with this, should he refuse to purge his contempt by 14:00 tomorrow.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0126/1351944-enoch-burke-court/

smacl · 26-01-2023 1:11pm

:)

Hotblack Desiato · 26-01-2023 4:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120160016#Comment_120160016

Does he have any assets to sequester? He doesn't appear to have a car (as daddy drives him) and if he doesn't pay a fine what are they going to do - lock him up again - like he'd care.

Hotblack Desiato · 26-01-2023 5:02pm

Very poor article in the IT

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-style/people/2023/01/21/i-leaned-into-secularism-as-a-badge-of-honour-but-now-appreciate-the-allure-of-faith/

Would they print a headline which said "Confessions of a recovering catholic" or "Confessions of a recovering muslim" ?

Usual woo-laden guff about how religion isn't bad it's just the church which is bad, etc. and sure isn't it a great comfort to people. I wonder if she ever really thought things through (other than being justifiably angry at the RCC and drifting away from it) or even described herself as an atheist at all. She also seems to think secularism equates with atheism which is a strange view for anyone who isn't a catholic bishop.

If she really does have friends who are trying to baptise their way into "better" RC school access, thankfully they're several years too late... and if it's one of the more exclusionary CoI schools they want to get into then mere baptism is unlikely to cut it.

smacl · 26-01-2023 6:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120161257#Comment_120161257

Ponied up for an IT subscription at €1 for the month, hopefully other content will be a bit better than this. The final paragraph shows an error in the title of the piece

I may not agree with the support for an organisation with views on civil liberties and sexuality that will never be compatible with my own. But I see how, to paraphrase the closing line of Hannah’s sermon that Sunday, spirituality is like a car’s airbag – you might not rely on it day-to-day, the way you would a seat belt. But if you crash, it can help you in the darkest hour – and that is its purpose.

She's not a recovering atheist, she's a non-practising Christian who was in denial of her faith due to the appalling actions and attitude of the church in which she was raised. Anyone who would turn to their religious faith in times of greatest need is basically religious. Perfectly understandable in my opinion to be religious while disgusted at the Catholic church, just an error to confuse that with atheism or even agnosticism. Lot of people in this country take a similar position. A-la-carte Christianity in all its glory.

Hotblack Desiato · 26-01-2023 6:36pm

Incognito mode would have saved you €1, and I did warn you 😉 but yeah you always hear about these people who seem to think that not going to mass makes them some sort of atheist, then the faith (or, perhaps more accurately, occasional ritual) they return to is inevitably exactly or almost exactly[*] the same as the one they were brainwashed into from birth until adulthood.

[*] No point in splitting hairs over C vs P here, I doubt she or many others in a similar situation would be at all interested in a discussion on transubstantiation vs. consubstantiation, papal infallibility, sola scriptura, or biblical literalism.

Igotadose · 26-01-2023 7:07pm

Incognito mode didn't work for me. Must be a message from the Almighty I'm not to read that article. Haven't taken the blood pressure meds yet today anyway :)

Hotblack Desiato · 26-01-2023 10:08pm

With javascript and cookies disabled you definitely can read it even though it says subscriber only.

Hotblack Desiato · 27-01-2023 12:50am

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/01/22/churches-could-develop-truth-recovery-process-archbishop-says/

The head of the Catholic church in Ireland has suggested religious denominations could help develop a truth recovery process to address the legacy of the Troubles.

Sure isn't it only right that secretive organisations, convinced that they alone know what's best for society, which have caused immense damage and suffering, with a long history of acting entirely in self-interest and going to great lengths to frustrate justice, are forced to engage with their crimes and reveal the full truth.

ohnonotgmail · 27-01-2023 11:06am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120162645#Comment_120162645

the easiest way is to use archive.is

Igotadose · 27-01-2023 11:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120161648#Comment_120161648

Thanks to the great info on archive.is I was able to read that article. I agree with your summary, this woman's no atheist, she's not even agnostic. Just hasn't found the guts to admit it is all, and yeah, the practices of the RCC drove her out.

Her 90+ year old grandmother is more interesting. Plenty of the elderly women out here in the 'bible belt' of Kerry are even more anti-RCC than I am, which says a lot. No use for the priests or their religion, don't go to mass, harangue their offspring into not baptising their children, voted to repeal the 8th, etc. Great place.

robindch · 27-01-2023 1:10pm

Ponied up for an IT subscription at €1 for the month, hopefully other content will be a bit better than this.

The IT is generally excellent in the area of fact-based reporting, but the "opinion" department reserves the right to publish complete rubbish, presumably to provide "balance" - as though accuracy and honesty in one area can somehow be "balanced" by inaccuracy and dishonesty elsewhere.

Case in point being this absurd piece by Geoffrey Roberts the other day:

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/01/25/germans-are-right-to-think-twice-about-sending-leopard-tanks-to-ukraine/

Still though, independent media needs support these days and €1 per month is hardly excessive, even if pieces best suited for the bin occasionally end up published.

Igotadose · 27-01-2023 1:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120164811#Comment_120164811

Don't they regularly run that paedophilia advocate David Quinn?

oscarBravo · 27-01-2023 3:56pm

An IT subscription is €12 per month after the first month. Not commenting on whether or not it's worth it, just sayin'.

smacl · 27-01-2023 5:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165820#Comment_120165820

Yep, doubt I'll be staying subscribed.

Hotblack Desiato · 27-01-2023 11:21pm

It's the Indo which has the unlovely David Quinn.

IT has Breda O'Brien (also of the Iona "Institute") spouting guff every Saturday - on her rare weeks off she tag-teams with Maria Steen (who makes Breda appear almost balanced and rational)

They quite frequently have opinion pieces from RCC and CoI bishops, too.

robindch · 28-01-2023 12:10am

An IT subscription is €12 per month after the first month. Not commenting on whether or not it's worth it, just sayin'.

I'm on the €6 per week subscription which gives me full access to the IT's online editions, current and historical, plus the brief attention of a nice guy who lobs Saturday's IT onto my doorstep late Friday night or early Saturday morning - means there's a paper on the kitchen table over the weekend, plus support for a worthwhile media outlet.

With no support, it'll be gone quick enough, and the space will be left to shitrags like "Alive" and "Epoch Times".

smacl · 28-01-2023 2:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120168255#Comment_120168255

Agreed about the support for a worthwhile media but realistically, I doubt I'd read the IT often enough to warrant a subscription and have moved from paper to online for the other journals I subscribe to (mostly work related). I do chuck a fiver a month to the Guardian without subscribing which tends to be my 'go to' place for random browsing, similar for Wikipedia. Not sure the IT has the readership to support that kind of model which is a shame as €144 per year is a high entry point for an occasional reader who is also consuming news from multiple other sources.

Hotblack Desiato · 28-01-2023 4:00pm

Student discount? 😝

PopePalpatine · 28-01-2023 5:02pm

As someone who had to spend 3 hours a day commuting in and out of Dublin, forgive me if I don't want to fund Frank McDonald's repayments on his oversized PHEV that he always forgets to charge.

Igotadose · 04-02-2023 11:24am

Hobby Lobby to be sellin' Jeebus during the Superbowl.

https://www.salon.com/2023/02/04/hobby-lobby-founder-revealed-to-be-behind-effort-to-rebrand-jesus_partner/

Hotblack Desiato · 06-02-2023 11:30pm

https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/06/wikipedia_confirmed_blocked_in_pakistan/

Pakistan blocks Wikipedia due to unspecified "blasphemous" content. 🙄

They could just edit it, like... 😝

robindch · 07-02-2023 11:56am

They could just edit it, like... 😝

You are assuming that the people whinging loudest can read and write.

robindch · 07-02-2023 12:01pm

Enoch wins big - he's lost the support of Westboro Baptist:

https://mobile.twitter.com/WBCApocalypse/status/1622233412831436801

ohnonotgmail · 07-02-2023 12:10pm

Not like David Quinn to be smug.

The Hobby Horses of Belief (and assorted hazards)

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