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Increase in dangerous driving

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  • 26-02-2020 7:58am
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    Crock Rock
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    There is a marked increase in dangerous driving and speeding lately.

    I drive always at the speed limit on the button using cruise control (verified by my car's speedometers and a gps, so my Speedo isn't over displaying). My car has two in built Speedos, a digital one and a dial and I also use a phone GPs.

    Even though I'm driving at the speed limit on the button, lots of cars still overtake me including coach and lorry drivers.

    I'm thinking of sending the dash cam footage to their employers.

    What can be done to reduce speeding (ie, dangerous driving)?

    Should speeding penalties be tougher? 66 votes

    No, they're adequate as is.
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    No, they're too strict as is.
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    They should be more severe and proportional to the excess speed.
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    Dravokivich
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    Close the roads.


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    Wanderer78
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    Crock Rock wrote:
    I'm thinking of sending the dash cam footage to their employers.


    It ll probably just be ignored, but work away if it makes you feel better


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    whomitconcerns
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    No, they're too strict as is.
    Speeding is not the same as dangerous driving.. But I guess you know that and are just looking to start arguments. Enjoy... I'm not biting


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    Infernal Racket
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    You sound like the kind of driver I'd hate to be stuck behind


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    Crock Rock
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    It ll probably just be ignored, but work away if it makes you feel better

    I'll send it into traffic watch and make a statement in court . If they lose their licence and thus their job I'd be delighted. A fitting punishment.


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    Crock Rock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 616 ✭✭✭Crock Rock


    Infernal Racket wrote: »
    You sound like the kind of driver I'd hate to be stuck behind

    What do you mean stuck behind? I'm already doing the speed limit.


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    Infernal Racket
    Registered Users Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭Infernal Racket


    Crock Rock wrote: »
    What do you mean stuck behind? I'm already doing the speed limit.

    Nah, you're just looking to create an edgy thread. It's very early inbthe morning for this Craic


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    Crock Rock
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    Why would you want to overtake me when I'm already driving at the limit?

    We should have speed cameras everywhere.


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    Snotty
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    Let me guess, "I'm doing the speed limit, I can sit here in the fast lane for my whole journey and anyone trying to pass me is just a bad driver and I'm going to make the roads safer by blocking them"


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    [Deleted User]
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    Snotty wrote: »
    Let me guess, "I'm doing the speed limit, I can sit here in the fast lane for my whole journey and anyone trying to pass me is just a bad driver and I'm going to make the roads safer by blocking them"

    What's this "fast lane" you speak of?


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    Dravokivich
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    Snotty wrote: »
    Let me guess, "I'm doing the speed limit, I can sit here in the fast lane for my whole journey and anyone trying to pass me is just a bad driver and I'm going to make the roads safer by blocking them"

    Hes talking about people over taking him. It reads like they are on single lane roads for the most part.


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    Pinch Flat
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    whomitconcerns wrote: »
    Speeding is not the same as dangerous driving.. But I guess you know that and are just looking to start arguments. Enjoy... I'm not biting

    Depends. I've seen plenty of people plough on at well north if 120 In poor driving
    Conditions On the motorways. Latest was on the M7 to limerick a few weeks ago in sleet / hail. Some crazy manoeuvres given the road condition.

    Impatience is also rampant now. Chances you'll be blown out of it for stopping at an Amber or red. The norm is to carry on and I've nearly been rear ended a few times. Roundabouts and junctions as well- people don't stop, even when they don't have right I'd way. Just carry on and expect the car with right of way to slow / stop.


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    _Brian
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    Two problems.
    Firstly fill like OP who are all self righteous driving speed limits and no more ever ever are a pain in the arse, many many speed limits are inappropriate for the roads, better drivers drive with the flow of traffic unless it’s specifically dangerous like residential areas etc.

    Secondly, we’re in a boom. Car ownership and driving always increases and we see people who aren’t suitable taking to the roads. Poor lame discipline, poor road positioning at junctions, bad use of roundabouts.


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    [Deleted User]
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    Crock Rock wrote: »
    There is a marked increase in dangerous driving and speeding lately.

    I drive always at the speed limit on the button using cruise control (verified by my car's speedometers and a gps, so my Speedo isn't over displaying). My car has two in built Speedos, a digital one and a dial and I also use a phone GPs.

    Even though I'm driving at the speed limit on the button, lots of cars still overtake me including coach and lorry drivers.

    I'm thinking of sending the dash cam footage to their employers.

    What can be done to reduce speeding (ie, dangerous driving)?

    Nobody is condoning actual dangerous driving but 130 kph on a good motorway is not dangerous

    Have 2 questions for you?

    1. Are you that prick driving 120 in the overtaking lane blocking people?

    2. How safe is it checking your phone gps while driving?


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    [Deleted User]
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    Crock Rock wrote: »
    There is a marked increase in dangerous driving and speeding lately.

    I drive always at the speed limit on the button using cruise control (verified by my car's speedometers and a gps, so my Speedo isn't over displaying). My car has two in built Speedos, a digital one and a dial and I also use a phone GPs.

    Even though I'm driving at the speed limit on the button, lots of cars still overtake me including coach and lorry drivers.

    I'm thinking of sending the dash cam footage to their employers.

    What can be done to reduce speeding (ie, dangerous driving)?

    You’re wasting your time in the motors forum. The general line of thought here is that you’re wrong if you’re not speeding. Everyone will do what suits them the best and will throw out every excuse under the sun to justify it.


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    Crock Rock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 616 ✭✭✭Crock Rock


    glasso wrote: »
    Nobody is condoning actual dangerous driving but 130 kph on a good motorway is not dangerous

    Have 2 questions for you?

    1. Are you that prick driving 120 in the overtaking lane blocking people?

    2. How safe is it checking your phone gps while driving?

    1) No. I always keep left unless overtaking.
    I am frequently overtaken on 1+1 roads.

    2) A cursory glance whilst using navigation app, I drive to a lot of unknown places for work. There is a speed stamp on the corner.


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    Dravokivich
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    _Brian wrote: »
    Two problems.
    Firstly fill like OP who are all self righteous driving speed limits and no more ever ever are a pain in the arse, many many speed limits are inappropriate for the roads, better drivers drive with the flow of traffic unless it’s specifically dangerous like residential areas etc.

    Secondly, we’re in a boom. Car ownership and driving always increases and we see people who aren’t suitable taking to the roads. Poor lame discipline, poor road positioning at junctions, bad use of roundabouts.

    It's not for the driver to decide to go faster if they feel the road was rated too low. If you are keeping up with other people speeding, you are just driving by peer pressure.


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    u140acro3xs7dm
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    As someone said, speeding is not the same as dangerous driving, it may be illegal, but not necessarily dangerous.

    A calm sunny day on the M8/M4 etc. with little traffic, then doing 130 in a 120 is probably not dangerous. On the same road, but its dark, windy, freezing, lashing rain, with heavy traffic, then doing 115 in a 120 zone is probably dangerous.

    I know drivers that do the speed limit everywhere, even if the road conditions don't allow it - I'm terrified of getting in the car with them. Adjust your speed for the road conditions, if you want to do the speed limit on a motorway, keep left and let other people do what they want, it's not your job to enforce the law.


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    [Deleted User]
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    Sandra Tinkling Belly wrote: »
    As someone said, speeding is not the same as dangerous driving, it may be illegal, but not necessarily dangerous.

    A calm sunny day on the M8/M4 etc. with little traffic, then doing 130 in a 120 is probably not dangerous. On the same road, but its dark, windy, freezing, lashing rain, with heavy traffic, then doing 115 in a 120 zone is probably dangerous.

    I know drivers that do the speed limit everywhere, even if the road conditions don't allow it - I'm terrified of getting in the car with them. Adjust your speed for the road conditions, if you want to do the speed limit on a motorway, keep left and let other people do what they want, it's not your job to enforce the law.

    This is exactly what I meant about tying yourself in knots with convoluted ways to justify what is simply suiting yourself. Never seems to click that you can go slower in bad conditions without breaking the limits in dry conditions.
    People that speed obviously don’t care about other road users so I don’t know why they can’t just front up and say it’s because that’s what they want to do rather than the lame excuses.


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    Crock Rock
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    Sandra Tinkling Belly wrote: »
    As someone said, speeding is not the same as dangerous driving, it may be illegal, but not necessarily dangerous.

    A calm sunny day on the M8/M4 etc. with little traffic, then doing 130 in a 120 is probably not dangerous. On the same road, but its dark, windy, freezing, lashing rain, with heavy traffic, then doing 115 in a 120 zone is probably dangerous.

    I know drivers that do the speed limit everywhere, even if the road conditions don't allow it - I'm terrified of getting in the car with them. Adjust your speed for the road conditions, if you want to do the speed limit on a motorway, keep left and let other people do what they want, it's not your job to enforce the law.

    We do have a duty to report criminal offences, speeding is a criminal offence.


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    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,805 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Crock Rock wrote: »
    I'll send it into traffic watch and make a statement in court . If they lose their licence and thus their job I'd be delighted. A fitting punishment.

    fair play to you, keep the lads in the dole office in a job i guess, and possibly some charities going also


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    Crock Rock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 616 ✭✭✭Crock Rock


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    fair play to you, keep the lads in the dole office in a job i guess, and possibly some charities going also

    They're keeping themselves in the dole office by breaking the rules.


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    u140acro3xs7dm
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    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    This is exactly what I meant about tying yourself in knots with convoluted ways to justify what is simply suiting yourself. Never seems to click that you can go slower in bad conditions without breaking the limits in dry conditions.
    People that speed obviously don’t care about other road users so I don’t know why they can’t just front up and say it’s because that’s what they want to do rather than the lame excuses.

    Of course it is to suit yourself, as is driving at 80 on a motorway, as is sitting in the outside lane.

    If you are going from Dublin to Cork the limit is 120 most of the way. If you travel at certain times, that road is nearly empty, so doing 130 is not as dangerous, as there aren't many other road users to watch out for, you rarely need to change lane, and you can often see 2 km ahead of you. You can trim 15 mins off your journey each way, so that's 30 mins extra at home with the family without driving dangerously.

    As I said, you change your driving to suit the road conditions, if the road is busier, I'm not going to drive at 130 or 140 swerving in and out of lanes.


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    biko
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    Crock Rock wrote: »
    Even though I'm driving at the speed limit on the button, lots of cars still overtake me including coach and lorry drivers.
    Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?


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    Xertz
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    I’m not sure that I’m seeing any major agressive driving on motorways here, certainly not on long distance routes but, there’s an uptick in braking of red lights, particularly in Dublin and to a degree in Cork. You’re also getting a a lot of really stupid stuff on the M50, N40 and other motorways / DCs - agressive and unnecessary lane changes and weaving, blocking merging traffic and so on. A lot of that has to do with bad congestion and frustration and points to inadequate infrastructure in both of those cities.

    I would actually say the most dangerous aspect of driving here at the moment is probably urban speeding. I don’t mean the people doing 50 in the 30 zones as much as people doing 70 and 80 on suburban streets.

    The other one that absolutely infuriates me and I’m seeing it in both Dublin and Cork is people driving while texting. I’ve seen it even directly outside schools. Saw a woman in Cork using her phone, to access social media by the looks of it, while reversing and manoeuvring outside a busy school drop off point with young kids wandering around.

    Some people seem to just have no cop on at all.


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    Wanderer78
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    Crock Rock wrote: »
    They're keeping themselves in the dole office by breaking the rules.

    pushing boundaries and breaking rules is fairly normal human behavior, it can in fact be fun, its also good that some rules are challenged


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    The Satanist
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    Crock Rock wrote: »
    I drive always at the speed limit on the button using cruise control (verified by my car's speedometers and a gps, so my Speedo isn't over displaying). My car has two in built Speedos, a digital one and a dial and I also use a phone GPs.

    Even though I'm driving at the speed limit on the button, lots of cars still overtake me including coach and lorry drivers.

    It's a limit, not a target etc etc etc

    You're going to extraordinary lengths to avoid using any judgement on conditions and traffic levels. Small victories, eh.


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    Del2005
    Registered Users Posts: 18,871 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Crock Rock wrote: »
    There is a marked increase in dangerous driving and speeding lately.

    I drive always at the speed limit on the button using cruise control (verified by my car's speedometers and a gps, so my Speedo isn't over displaying). My car has two in built Speedos, a digital one and a dial and I also use a phone GPs.

    Even though I'm driving at the speed limit on the button, lots of cars still overtake me including coach and lorry drivers.

    I'm thinking of sending the dash cam footage to their employers.

    What can be done to reduce speeding (ie, dangerous driving)?

    If your car is doing the speed limit when displaying the same speed on the speedo your car is defective, EU law requires all vehicles to overread their speed, and you should report yourself for driving a defective vehicle.


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    conor2469
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    No, they're too strict as is.
    Crock Rock wrote: »
    I drive always at the speed limit on the button

    Dangerous behavior IMO OP. You should always drive to suit the conditions. The road was icy this morning and I couldn't safely do the 80kph speed limit. you need to improve your driving style as that could prove very hazardous to other road users.


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    jelutong
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    Del2005 wrote: »
    If your car is doing the speed limit when displaying the same speed on the speedo your car is defective, EU law requires all vehicles to overread their speed, and you should report yourself for driving a defective vehicle.

    So it’s an offence if your cars speedometer is accurate?


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