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All Ireland League 2019-2020 Talk/Gossip/Rumours

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭D14Rugby


    Heard all the Connacht academy players playing outside of Connacht have to transfer to Connacht clubs next year.

    That would be an awful decision by connacht


  • Registered Users Posts: 24 gilesdebond


    Also, first round of AIL games penciled in for the 6th October


  • Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    Also, first round of AIL games penciled in for the 6th October

    Rumoured that Celtic cup players to miss first 8 ail games, can anyone confirm


  • Registered Users Posts: 24 UpTipp123


    Celtic cup kicks off 24th August and runs til the 12th October - then maybe semi final and final and then cover for the world cup and pro14 games with an InterPro game over xmas. Alot of these lads wont see AIL til 2020

    Blocks of 3 games kicking off 5th October with the 9th game on 14th December, game 10 is 11th January then.

    Deasy retried, Tom Hayes an O Donovan sacked by Shannon, with geoff moylan and tadgh Bennett in.
    Sean skehan DOR in Terenure.

    any word on UCD?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭D14Rugby


    Has Deasy actually retired this time? Why were the 2 guys sacked by Shannon?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 24 UpTipp123


    He stated on this podcast few weeks ago that he was done: Its on his twitter profile from few weeks ago

    Re Shannon coaches - all seemed pretty mad- Hayes and o'Donovan went to USA with them in May, then came back and were sacked. there now on hunt for forwards coach.

    Conall Doherty and Paul Kiernan signed to Lansdowne from UCD.
    Jack Stafford - Shannon to Garryowen
    Billy Scannell to UCC

    Rumoured the US Major league clubs chasing top AIL talent - Will Leonard, mark o keeffe, Kindregan, McNulty etc all worked out well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    Wasnt Hayes going to Exeter anyway? Bit mad to suggest he was sacked


  • Registered Users Posts: 24 UpTipp123


    Exeter - whispers. Maybe a bit mad to say sacked - my bad. But he went to US as head coach then when he returned they brought in new DOR and head coach and now on hunt for forwards coach without him knowing. So maybe you choose what this best describes this.
    Mc Love wrote: »
    Wasnt Hayes going to Exeter anyway? Bit mad to suggest he was sacked


  • Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭stellenbosch


    UpTipp123 wrote: »
    He stated on this podcast few weeks ago that he was done: Its on his twitter profile from few weeks ago

    Re Shannon coaches - all seemed pretty mad- Hayes and o'Donovan went to USA with them in May, then came back and were sacked. there now on hunt for forwards coach.

    Conall Doherty and Paul Kiernan signed to Lansdowne from UCD.
    Jack Stafford - Shannon to Garryowen
    Billy Scannell to UCC

    Rumoured the US Major league clubs chasing top AIL talent - Will Leonard, mark o keeffe, Kindregan, McNulty etc all worked out well.

    Hyland to Nure from UCD?

    Aungier to Tarf from Nure?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    Yeah maybe - I honestly dont think Shannon would have done better. They do go through some amount of head coaches.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 24 UpTipp123


    Mc Love wrote: »
    Yeah maybe - I honestly dont think Shannon would have done better. They do go through some amount of head coaches.

    Ya fair point. Felt Hayes did a good job, took over from Marcus Horan an won 1B with them, everyone suspected them to be relegated from 1A and were flying it up until xmas, joint 5th, and beat UCD back to back then lost rest of games. Will Leonard moving to US, Casey an Flannery excelling with Ireland 20s also, Lee Nicholas injured - all didnt help them second half of season.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Heard all the Connacht academy players playing outside of Connacht have to transfer to Connacht clubs next year.
    Would be better for the clubs involved
    D14Rugby wrote: »
    That would be an awful decision by connacht
    Not long term though. Yes having players playing 1A is important but getting clubs within the province to higher level is also vital and academy players involved with the clubs in 2A/2B will help that hugely
    Lucas44 wrote: »
    Rumoured that Celtic cup players to miss first 8 ail games, can anyone confirm
    They need A games. If they dont miss others other than 20s call ups then is that too much of an issue?
    UpTipp123 wrote: »
    Celtic cup kicks off 24th August and runs til the 12th October - then maybe semi final and final and then cover for the world cup and pro14 games with an InterPro game over xmas. Alot of these lads wont see AIL til 2020

    Blocks of 3 games kicking off 5th October with the 9th game on 14th December, game 10 is 11th January then.

    Deasy retried, Tom Hayes an O Donovan sacked by Shannon, with geoff moylan and tadgh Bennett in.
    Sean skehan DOR in Terenure.

    any word on UCD?
    Any thoughts on tipp clubs or do you have any involvement in any tipp club?
    Will have some complaints but provinces need A games as well. If all known now then clubs shouldnt have too many complaints.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Aaron O Sullivan joining Blackrock


  • Registered Users Posts: 605 ✭✭✭Chico Flores


    Aaron O Sullivan joining Blackrock

    A Leinster academy lad in 2B doesn't seem right.

    Don't they all have to play in Div 1


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    A Leinster academy lad in 2B doesn't seem right.

    Don't they all have to play in Div 1
    Dont think they do but in general many will have been encouraged to play with higher level sides. Wouldnt see it as not being right tbh. 2A can still be decent quality


  • Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    Dont think they do but in general many will have been encouraged to play with higher level sides. Wouldnt see it as not being right tbh. 2A can still be decent quality

    Likely he’ll be getting high match fees there in the region of 200-500 euro based on what they were offering less talented players last year


  • Registered Users Posts: 605 ✭✭✭Chico Flores


    Dont think they do but in general many will have been encouraged to play with higher level sides. Wouldnt see it as not being right tbh. 2A can still be decent quality

    But blackrock are in 2B.

    You have Greystones, Malahide and wanderers there too, and then if playing up again you have Barnhall in 2A.

    Then all the Div 1 teams.

    Doesn't make sense to see an academy lad that low down relatively. They would want him at a higher level


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    But blackrock are in 2B.

    You have Greystones, Malahide and wanderers there too, and then if playing up again you have Barnhall in 2A.

    Then all the Div 1 teams.

    Doesn't make sense to see an academy lad that low down relatively. They would want him at a higher level
    He doesnt even turn 20 until December. Mightnt be too worried and maybe think season at that level will improve him more this season then moving up for season after than not playing in the AIL in a 1A club all the time. Game time in 18 AIL 2B games far better than maybe a few AIL division 1 games


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭D14Rugby


    Lucas44 wrote: »
    Likely he’ll be getting high match fees there in the region of 200-500 euro based on what they were offering less talented players last year

    He was on UCD Ad Astra too so he's giving up his scholarship which is guaranteed accommodation, bursary and/or fees paid. Also losing all the help like tutors, talking to lectures about arranging stuff around lectures etc that you get when you're representing UCD. That's a lot to give up to go play 2B rugby, especially when there's a lot of options in roughly his position playing regularly in 1A. If you're in the second year of the academy and you don't back yourself to start for UCD then that academy position probably isn't too secure.


  • Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    He doesnt even turn 20 until December. Mightnt be too worried and maybe think season at that level will improve him more this season then moving up for season after than not playing in the AIL in a 1A club all the time. Game time in 18 AIL 2B games far better than maybe a few AIL division 1 games


    He won’t be playing 18 games for blackrock, he’ll do well to play 9.. leinster likely to get back to the final or win Celtic cup ruling him out until potentially Christmas


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    D14Rugby wrote: »
    He was on UCD Ad Astra too so he's giving up his scholarship which is guaranteed accommodation, bursary and/or fees paid. Also losing all the help like tutors, talking to lectures about arranging stuff around lectures etc that you get when you're representing UCD. That's a lot to give up to go play 2B rugby, especially when there's a lot of options in roughly his position playing regularly in 1A. If you're in the second year of the academy and you don't back yourself to start for UCD then that academy position probably isn't too secure.
    And players who're not that can still get assistance beyond that. Maybe it isnt the player who also looked for the move.
    Lucas44 wrote: »
    He won’t be playing 18 games for blackrock, he’ll do well to play 9.. leinster likely to get back to the final or win Celtic cup ruling him out until potentially Christmas
    He'll likely play far more AIL with rock than he would in a higher division club. Not everyone has to or should be in a 1A club immediately simply because theyre in the academy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    And players who're not that can still get assistance beyond that. Maybe it isnt the player who also looked for the move.

    He'll likely play far more AIL with rock than he would in a higher division club. Not everyone has to or should be in a 1A club immediately simply because theyre in the academy.

    He played in every ail game he was fit and available for ucd, any leinster academy player will be included in at the very least the match day squad for any 1a club


  • Registered Users Posts: 605 ✭✭✭Chico Flores


    Who's to say a Leinster academy player wouldn't play every single game for UCD.

    As above, if he doesn't back himself to play in Div 1 or Leinster don't, he has no business in academy.

    It just doesn't make sense. Then why not Barnhall in 2A or Greystones in 2B.

    Never mind a Wesley etc.

    Can't see Leinster going, we would rather see you skin tries past wanderers in a lower level than play higger up v better opposition


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭FellasFellas


    Sounds like he's gone from the Academy if thats the move. I cant see that flying whatsoever, maybe he's going to try move to Sevens and play very little 15s.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    And players who're not that can still get assistance beyond that. Maybe it isnt the player who also looked for the move.

    He'll likely play far more AIL with rock than he would in a higher division club. Not everyone has to or should be in a 1A club immediately simply because theyre in the academy.

    He was actually pushed to go to Rock by Leinster academy because they are putting him into a house and the academy want to make sure he is looked after.
    He is also going into the sevens program so between that and A games he probably won't see too much AIL. Daft situation where Leinster are actually encouraging players and clubs to flout Regulation 6.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭D14Rugby


    And players who're not that can still get assistance beyond that. Maybe it isnt the player who also looked for the move.

    I assume you're trying to say that players that aren't playing for UCD can still get assistance and yeah they can but it's all off their own back and at mercy of lecturers whereas if you're on Ad Astra you just tell the head of rugby what you need and once it's anyway justifiable it's done, tutors are found, exams are moved or accommodated elsewhere, deadlines extended, all stuff that lecturers might do if you ask nicely but also might not.

    It's a very very odd move and must include a serious wedge to make it worthwhile.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,601 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Ad Astra only provides 10 scholarships a year to rugby as far as I'm aware, I'm not sure all of the academy lads are on it, there might be a separate agreement in place with the academy and UCD, as the likes of Conor O'Brien studied economics in UCD but played with Clontarf, Cormac Daly the same.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭D14Rugby


    Ad Astra only provides 10 scholarships a year to rugby as far as I'm aware, I'm not sure all of the academy lads are on it, there might be a separate agreement in place with the academy and UCD, as the likes of Conor O'Brien studied economics in UCD but played with Clontarf, Cormac Daly the same.

    Aaron O'sullivan is, well was, on Ad Astra. There isn't any other agreement with the college and academy players but I imagine the college are slightly more accommodating when someone from leinster asks for help for a player but not as accommodating as when it's a player representing the college.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    Ad Astra only provides 10 scholarships a year to rugby as far as I'm aware, I'm not sure all of the academy lads are on it, there might be a separate agreement in place with the academy and UCD, as the likes of Conor O'Brien studied economics in UCD but played with Clontarf, Cormac Daly the same.

    UCD offer way more scholarships than 10 a year but I doubt they offer 10 Ad Astras


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,601 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Stainalert wrote: »
    UCD offer way more scholarships than 10 a year but I doubt they offer 10 Ad Astras
    From the UCD Ad Astra Academy site:

    There are currently 60 UCD Ad Astra Elite Sports Scholars in a range of sports, including 10 male Rugby players (4 are currently representing Ireland) and 1 female member of the Irish squad


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