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pixelburp · 28-02-2020 11:35am

Homeworld is coming to mobile; it's a new game, and looks like a "proper" HW game though details a little unclear for now as to the actual mechanics available. I saw a "global chat" interface so looks like there might be multiplayer as part of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za7GDCyQKJQ

Robert ninja · 28-02-2020 6:04pm

Varik wrote: »

I think it's a mistake to be that generous but if it get's abused they'll stop.

I've refunded with GOG once. I don't buy from them anymore (for unrelated reasons) but they always seemed solid with refunds. Glad to know it's even easier for consumers to protect themselves.

nix wrote: »

My post was in jest but im sure there will be some people doing that kinda thing, and with the large time window, im sure more will be tempted to start doing it too..

It's not really a problem for them, though. With physical products it's the large overhead of the returns that really costs them. With digital delivery they just click a button and revoke your license.

Nobody with a brain would even try to abuse such a system (or at least not more than once). If they wanted the game for free they'd just pirate it. Zero point in compromising the trust of their legit account (with possibly 100s of titles).

30 days is nothing, anyway. I had a game where the online just stopped working after a few months. I tried to refund but Valve said no I own it too long. It wasn't like their servers were gone it was just no longer compatible with my specific system. They updated one version and I was out of sync with it. Pretty unfair since I was no longer getting what I had paid for and was still being advertised as available on the store page for new consumers to be misled by. Where as I just bought a monitor recently and it's guaranteed for 2 years. If a single pixel goes dead in that timeframe I'm getting a new one or a full refund. That's the way it should be. Gamers are just used to getting completely shafted so even a slightly better refund policy (remember we didn't even have them at one point) seems crazy to em' :pac:

Mr Crispy · 29-02-2020 2:01am

GDC has been officially postponed.

T. Hanks · 29-02-2020 9:26pm

The PC version of Killer7 (Steam Version) is currently on sale on Humble Bundle website for 11.99 Euros

Controls incredibly well with mouse and keyboard

Mr Crispy · 04-03-2020 11:08pm

One of EA's unannounced Star Wars games has leaked (PC Gamer)

Star Wars - Project Maverick

https://twitter.com/psnrelease/status/1235166862591352832?s=20

Varik · 05-03-2020 1:06pm

So Nvidia has their streaming service called GeForce Now. One of it's features is that while you can still pay a sub or outright buy games on it you can also sign into steam and play the games that are compatible that you already own remotely.

So over the last few weeks a load of companies have pulled their games from it, Activision Blizzard recently and Bethesda too. Both of these big companies cited misunderstanding over the terms of the service. This week another company the developer of "The Long Dark" Hinterland Studio pulled theirs, turns out they did even know it was up on the service and never agreed to it. The Long Dark wasn't for sale or rent it was just the steam library access that it was available from.

Safe enough to assume that the misunderstandings was due to the steam library access allowing people to play their games (their in this case could be either the companies or the consumer dependant on your point of view).

Plenty of cloud services allow you to run your own software and even install what you want, legally wise I'd say it's all a bit iffy as most countries copyright laws are very archaic.

EoinMcLovin · 05-03-2020 1:23pm

With Los Angeles after declaring state of emergency there could be a chance that E3 2020 gets cancelled
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-03-02-esa-moves-ahead-with-e3-2020-planning-despite-coronavirus-concerns

https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1235338275587534855?s=19

RobertFoster · 05-03-2020 2:19pm

The way I consume E3, if all of the large press conferences turned into Nintendo-like Directs and Treehouses I wouldn't miss it. As long as MS keep the World Premiere guy involved I'd be happy.

Varik · 05-03-2020 2:28pm

https://twitter.com/hermenhulst/status/1235550894327988224

Also Push square seems to be doing well lately.

Robert ninja · 05-03-2020 8:41pm

Varik wrote: »

So Nvidia has their streaming service called GeForce Now.

The absolute greed. Fair enough if they don't want Nvidia selling their game but if I already own it then it's out of their hands. If I want to pay Nvidia for anyone else to run a VM service (that's all it is), it's nobody else's business what we privately run on or how it's configured (low latency, game specific optimisations). Pure f'n greed, wanting a cut of bloody everything. How many times do we need to pay these companies to play the game we already bought? Oh well just more companies I won't give a cent to I guess.

05-03-2020 9:22pm

Robert ninja wrote: »

The absolute greed. Fair enough if they don't want Nvidia selling their game but if I already own it then it's out of their hands. If I want to pay Nvidia for anyone else to run a VM service (that's all it is), it's nobody else's business what we privately run on or how it's configured (low latency, game specific optimisations). Pure f'n greed, wanting a cut of bloody everything. How many times do we need to pay these companies to play the game we already bought? Oh well just more companies I won't give a cent to I guess.

Should Nvidia be allowed to earn money off of other companies IP and not cut them in, or at least get permission to allow users of the service to access it?

T. Hanks · 05-03-2020 9:47pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Should Nvidia be allowed to earn money off of other companies IP and not cut them in, or at least get permission to allow users of the service to access it?

Why? The person paid the creators and publishers of the game. Not Nvidia

That's like someone saying you cant play it on your PC because you have an Nvidia graphics card

Varik · 05-03-2020 9:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Should Nvidia be allowed to earn money off of other companies IP and not cut them in, or at least get permission to allow users of the service to access it?

There is a little nuance there, EA need to pay for the fifa license as their product derive value from it but they do not need to pay the US/Colt for licensing rights to the M4 in any of their shooters. A lot of this was up in the air years ago, you'd have older ww2 weapons who were long past any copyright but you'd not get modern weapons in shooters. The C90 springs to mind in CS.

Robert ninja wrote: »

The absolute greed. Fair enough if they don't want Nvidia selling their game but if I already own it then it's out of their hands. If I want to pay Nvidia for anyone else to run a VM service (that's all it is), it's nobody else's business what we privately run on or how it's configured (low latency, game specific optimisations). Pure f'n greed, wanting a cut of bloody everything. How many times do we need to pay these companies to play the game we already bought? Oh well just more companies I won't give a cent to I guess.

If you were running a VM on some cloud service you'd be accessing it and installing it yourself. while some of them will have the process of installing simplified, but it's still you installing it from you licence. Nvidia isn't doing that.

marcbrophy · 05-03-2020 9:58pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Should Nvidia be allowed to earn money off of other companies IP and not cut them in, or at least get permission to allow users of the service to access it?

People are paying Nvidia for use of their virtual machines!
People have already bought the game from Steam etc.
If I loaded up the desktop and went to pornhub and had a ****, it's none of Nvidia's business.
Same way as if I use it to play a game I own, it's none of that publishers business either!

That's my stance on it anyway

Robert ninja · 05-03-2020 10:17pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Should Nvidia be allowed to earn money off of other companies IP and not cut them in, or at least get permission to allow users of the service to access it?

It's just a VM. I can set up one right now on AWS and put thousands of my steam or gog games on it. Nobody but Amazon gets paid in that scenario.

Varik wrote: »

If you were running a VM on some cloud service you'd be accessing it and installing it yourself. while some of them will have the process of installing simplified, but it's still you installing it from you licence. Nvidia isn't doing that.

So what's the argument here? EA should get money because Nvidia helped me install something? Nonsense. For the games Nvidia wants to sell it's fair game then sure they have to agree with the publisher. However if they help me, a private citizen, configure a VM with MY licensed software (not theirs) then it's nobody else's business: I've already paid for the game that's that. Unreal that people even think of defending this after considering today's DRM and the state of the industry. Now we can't even get our games on a VM before the likes of Blizzard come back demanding yet even more €€€. What if I install my GOG copy of Star Trek 20th Anniversary on a VM and I pay someone for helping me set it up? Better call CBS, apparently they're owed something.

05-03-2020 10:34pm

Robert ninja wrote: »

It's just a VM. I can set up one right now on AWS and put thousands of my steam or gog games on it. Nobody but Amazon gets paid in that scenario.

Very true, but you're not making any money by doing that so why would/should you pay a content creator in that case? Even with Nvidia I'm not suggesting the end user hasn't already paid the developers etc nor should they pay them any more but Nvidia are making money off of a service which relies from other peoples IP.

I've no idea what it says in the licensing agreement for the games involved, I'm thinking along the lines of something like "may not be rebroadcast" or similar or nothing about using it in a VM and maybe Nvidia are covered there?.

I know with certain stuff I use in work the licensing is dramatically different once you put the software into a virtual environment. Games might need to catch up there.

Robert ninja · 05-03-2020 10:43pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Very true, but you're not making any money by doing that so why would/should you pay a content creator in that case? Even with Nvidia I'm not suggesting the end user hasn't already paid the developers etc nor should they pay them any more but Nvidia

It doesn't matter who they charge; the costs are always passed onto the consumer. If they charge Nvidia they are effectively charging you.

Grumpypants · 05-03-2020 11:30pm

It's like blocking you from playing your steam game on your TV via steam link.

Varik · 05-03-2020 11:36pm

Robert ninja wrote: »

It's just a VM. I can set up one right now on AWS and put thousands of my steam or gog games on it. Nobody but Amazon gets paid in that scenario.

So what's the argument here? EA should get money because Nvidia helped me install something? Nonsense. For the games Nvidia wants to sell it's fair game then sure they have to agree with the publisher. However if they help me, a private citizen, configure a VM with MY licensed software (not theirs) then it's nobody else's business: I've already paid for the game that's that. Unreal that people even think of defending this after considering today's DRM and the state of the industry. Now we can't even get our games on a VM before the likes of Blizzard come back demanding yet even more €€€. What if I install my GOG copy of Star Trek 20th Anniversary on a VM and I pay someone for helping me set it up? Better call CBS, apparently they're owed something.

Like I said you can install what you've the license to on a machine of your choosing, and Amazon or whoever can have a nice little plugins to simplify the whole thing.

But that's not what happened here, you aren't doing anything. Nvidia has these games already set up and running before you've even signed up.

Grumpypants wrote: »

It's like blocking you from playing your steam game on your TV via steam link.

You mean the thing they've not done, to a service that's been around for years. Almost like there's a difference.

Robert ninja · 06-03-2020 12:07am

Varik wrote: »

But that's not what happened here, you aren't doing anything. Nvidia has these games already set up and running before you've even signed up.

That's because it's all servers. It just copies it from ready-made game installs. But you don't pay for the game's data (that's assets/source code which is never sold). All they're doing is streamlining VM setups, none of which Blizzard or anyone else has helped with and the user still needs a valid key or steam profile with it activated. So unless the game companies are contributing to server costs or otherwise providing assistance to nvidia's customers then they don't deserve another red cent.

Dunno why anyone's defending these big game companies. They don't give a shyte about you and would charge you to breathe as DLC if they could. The music industry giants have tried to tax internet connections and hard drives, just because of the possibility of being able to use it to pirate. They get out of hand if you let them.

Varik · 06-03-2020 11:36am

Bungie has mostly shut down all offices due to coronavirus, they're going to moving working remotely.

https://www.bungie.net/en/Explore/Detail/News/48839

AMD have mention how many combined ps4 and xbox have sold, 150m total with Sony saying they're at 109m. Leaves ms somwhere in around 41m

Zero-Cool · 08-03-2020 3:27pm

Skater XL coming to all platforms "soon", looks class. Anyone try this on PC? Match up to Skate?

https://twitter.com/skater_xl/status/1234907341742456833?s=19

OptimusTractor · 08-03-2020 7:53pm

Varik wrote: »

Bungie has mostly shut down all offices due to coronavirus, they're going to moving working remotely.

https://www.bungie.net/en/Explore/Detail/News/48839

AMD have mention how many combined ps4 and xbox have sold, 150m total with Sony saying they're at 109m. Leaves ms somwhere in around 41m

Sure haven't they been phoning in the content for the last year :pac:
Doubt this'll make much difference.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 09-03-2020 1:34pm

I've put this in the call of duty forum as well, but seeing as its effectively a separate new, free to play battle royale, I said I'd drop it here too.

J. Marston · 09-03-2020 2:28pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Skater XL coming to all platforms "soon", looks class. Anyone try this on PC? Match up to Skate?

https://twitter.com/skater_xl/status/1234907341742456833?s=19

I'm surprised a big company hasn't taken a chance on a multiplayer skateboarding game.

From a gameplay perspective, you've best score tournaments, races, capture the flag etc and from a money standpoint, cosmetics cosmetics cosmetics.

CastorTroy · 10-03-2020 12:10am

Reggie joins GameStop board of directors
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/gamestop-hires-reggie-fils-aime-two-other-guys-who/1100-6474564/

Rob2D · 10-03-2020 2:02am

CastorTroy wrote: »

Reggie joins GameStop board of directors
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/gamestop-hires-reggie-fils-aime-two-other-guys-who/1100-6474564/

Ahhhhhh what??? As good and all as Reggie is I don't think he can stop that ship from sinking.

T. Hanks · 10-03-2020 9:12am

King Reggie to save Gamestop

Retr0gamer · 10-03-2020 10:11am

He's there to kick ass and offer you disc insurance on your newest purchase.

Cordell · 10-03-2020 3:25pm

Sure, that's exactly what a company struggling to adapt to the new ways need: a veteran retiree.

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