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deleted · 19-08-2019 6:58am #1

3 is for triskelion and 4 holds up the sky. Probably some early Atlantic people were from N Africa.
"Late Neolithic (∼3,000 BCE) Moroccans, in contrast, share an Iberian component, supporting theories of trans-Gibraltar gene flow and indicating that Neolithization of North Africa involved both the movement of ideas and people. Lastly, the southern Iberian Early Neolithic samples share the same genetic composition as the Cardial Mediterranean Neolithic culture that reached Iberia ∼5,500 BCE. The cultural and genetic similarities between Iberian and North African Neolithic traditions further reinforce the model of an Iberian migration into the Maghreb. "

Then the basic ideas of Egypt may be in Eire.

"On the last day of the Sed festival the pharaoh performed “raising the Djed” pillar, representing the stability of the monarch, and symbolized the rebirth of Osiris. . In the pyramid text of Sneferu’s step pyramid, at 2613 to 2589 BC the Djed pillars form columns supporting the sky . The Egyptians perceived the sky as being supported on four pillars, ."
Newgrange 3000 and Maeshowe 2800 BCE have four pillars free-standing in the corners of the tomb. This may be before the pharaohs went up-market with pyramids. It happened first in Ireland.

Insect Overlord · 19-08-2019 10:19am

Where do you get this stuff?

deleted · 19-08-2019 10:35am

Hullo Moderator,

What stuff in particular is the subject of your inquiry?

Insect Overlord · 19-08-2019 10:44am

deleted wrote: »

Hullo Moderator,

What stuff in particular is the subject of your inquiry?

Your opening sentence would be an interesting point at which to start. What inspired it? What is the context?

deleted · 19-08-2019 11:01am

It was inspired by 3 being in triskelion compared with 4 which is inside Newgrange and Maeshowe. 3 was significant to Celts and it's said there were 4 Celtic kingdoms. I'm a part-time Celt . The Celtic tradition ( seen in 4 Scottish provinces of Perth) perhaps came from Egyptians. Maybe it all started in Eire.

Ipso · 19-08-2019 6:15pm

Funny it aways starts in the place you have a connection to.
What are the four celtic kingdoms?

deleted · 19-08-2019 10:33pm

To the east of Inis Oirthir there was a European union which set Taraffs until 1169 . We were Angus or Oengus who was buried at Newgrange.
Egyptian faience beads were imported or made in Europe after 2000BCE.
"..between the upper Don and the middle Dnieper small faience beads were found in the timber-grave of Vorobjovka near Kursk 400km S Moscow in association with an Egyptian scarab bearing a hieroglyphic inscription (Samokvasov, 1908, p. 19). "_ M Gimbutas. 1965.

Insect Overlord · 20-08-2019 5:08pm

You've lost me now. What do Egyptian beads in Russia have to do with Celtic kingdoms in Ireland?

And have you a source with more information on the trade union that existed before the 12th Century?

Ipso · 20-08-2019 6:25pm

Also the idea of something from one place means there was direct contact between the source and end point is very simplistic.
Never mind the idea of back projecting modern nations borders to a point where it didn’t even exist (also people within our modern boundaries were more part of smaller kingdoms/regions and not a nation).
Having said that, Gimbutas may have been in to something with her ideas on bell beakers which may have been the origin of early celtic culture.
https://anthrogenica.com/archive/index.php/t-10492.html

deleted · 20-08-2019 10:24pm

The beads in Russia indicate the amount of contacts . Amber went from north to south.
http://www.archhighland.org.uk/news.asp?newsid=58 "Other faience star beads have been found in Hungary and the middle Danube in Germany. This might suggest that trade was taking place between Europe and Scotland, perhaps by sea routes. At the very least it proves that ideas and skills were being passed back and forth between groups of people across Britain and further afield."

This was after Newgrange and Maeshowe but shows the freedom of trading between Egypt and Europe at 2000 with similar boats compared with 3000 BCE. The Egyptian 4 pillars of the pharaoh's ruling authority resembles the Newgrange 4 pillars and 4 kingdoms around Meath and Tara in Celtic times. ( They were Europeans and "Taraff" is a joke about "tariff"). As my first post notes, there may have been north African people in Spain and so Ireland.

Insect Overlord · 20-08-2019 11:10pm

When I was a teenager, RTÉ had a letters page on Aertel for young viewers to share their thoughts. You could post in an old fashioned, hand-written letter with a stamp on the envelope, and see your name (or pen name) on the text a week later.

I still remember one interesting young writer who was convinced Barack Obama was evil. Why? Because his name was spelt a little bit like Osama (as in Usama Bin Laden). All you needed to do was change one letter. It was absolute proof for that kid that they were one and the same, even though it was clearly nonsense to everyone else.

Why mention this now? Using the coincidence of the number "4" in this argument reminds me of that old letter on RTÉ Aertel...

deleted · 21-08-2019 12:00am

Then a tomb with 4 pillars is not a tomb with 4 pillars. Faience is spelled with 1 letter different from faience? Obama's Osama Beaker from Osaka Egypt England is Osypt Boseaker Egama?

AngryHippie · 21-08-2019 3:47am

Was Newgrange originally a tomb ?

Was this not a later use of the site ?
(the remains there carbon dated as much younger than the structure)

deleted · 21-08-2019 6:56am

Good point . And that may also link with Egypt:

"Tompkins (1971) extensively studied numerous documents related to the measurement and exploration of the Great Pyramid of Giza. He stated the central "observation chamber" (p. 130) at Maeshowe was "corbeled like the Great Pyramid's Grand Gallery", was carefully leveled, plumbed", and the jointing is of a quality that "rivals that of the Great Pyramid". Rather than chambers of a tomb, Tompkins suggested the structure contained small "retiring rooms for the observers" (p. 130). He suggested the entrance was very similar to Egyptian pyramids in that it had a "54-foot observation passage aimed like a telescope at a megalithic stone [2772 ft. away] to indicate the summer solstice" (p. 130) in addition to its "Watchstone" to the West that indicated the equinoxes. The "sighting passage" (p. 133) points to a northern star like the pyramids of Saqqara, Dashur and Medûm. Tompkins stated that "The similarity [of the pyramids] to the structure at Maes-Howe is indeed amazing" (p. 133). He cited Professor Alexander Thom, former Chair of Engineering Science at Oxford, as writing about the geometry of construction and astronomical alignment of Maeshowe in this context in 1967 (Tompkins, 1971, p. 137-138). "
http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,1153191

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