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How important was Dublin in the Viking world and how much

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  • 14-10-2016 2:47pm
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    BabyE
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    of a genetic imprint did the Vikings leave on the coasts of Dublin?

    Was Dublin actually an important viking city, like in Norwegian schools when they study the Vikings would Dublin feature in their history books or do we naturally just place emphasis on it because its our landmass?


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    endacl
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    Genetic imprint?

    Every European alive today is a direct descendant of every Irish Viking who produced offspring. And of Charlemagne. And of Charlemagne's pal.


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    Abhoth
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    If you dig around a bit, you will see that estimates of the share of genetic material in the modern Irish population that comes from Viking ancestry suggest that it is very low.

    That said, almost all of us probably have at least one Viking ancestor. If you have two parents, and four grandparents, and follow the same logic back 30 generations you have about a billion ancestors in that generation (although many of these will be the same people through different lines of ancestry). So, even if only a few Vikings in Ireland had kids, the chances are that most of us have at least one of them as an ancestor.

    I don't know what the Norwegian education system says on the subject, but Dublin was one of the main Viking cities outside Scandinavia. For a short period, it was the centre of a small and unstable empire that included a good chunk of Northern England, including Jorvik/York.


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    riffmongous
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    I don't know much about the how important it in the scandanavian context but I think Dublin was an important city for the western sphere, the Uí Ímair were an important dynasty in Britain and Ireland who were often based in Dublin

    Olaf Guthfrithson was king of Dublin and later Northumbria, and took part in the great Battle of Brunnaburh.

    For the Battle of Clontarf Sitric was able to get support from some other western kingdoms like Mann and Orkney


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    Fratton Fred
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    Wasn't Dublin an important trade hub, in particular in the trade of slaves?

    I recall at Dublinia the guide saying it had the largest slave market in Europe.


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    dubhthach
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    BabyE wrote: »
    of a genetic imprint did the Vikings leave on the coasts of Dublin?

    Probably very little, of course it doesn't help that the "Ostmen" got hammered by the Normans in 1169/70.


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    long range shooter
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    Vikings got tired of guiness and went for budweiser instead,thats how they discovered America.


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    tac foley
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    dubhthach wrote: »
    Probably very little, of course it doesn't help that the "Ostmen" got hammered by the Normans in 1169/70.

    Not forgetting that the Normans were themselves 'invading men from the North' less than 200 hundred years earlier.......

    tac


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    dubhthach
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    tac foley wrote: »
    Not forgetting that the Normans were themselves 'invading men from the North' less than 200 hundred years earlier.......

    tac

    In theory yes, but large amount of "Normans" in Ireland was actually either Cambro-Norman or outright Welsh (the men of arms were mostly Welsh), there's a reason why Walsh/Walshe is third most common surname in Ireland today ;)


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