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Western Rail Corridor / Rail Trail

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭eastwest


    L1011 wrote: »
    It requires quite the fevered imagination to think the report will find anything in favour
    I think 'fevered imagination' is too mild a term.
    'Delusional and unhinged' is probably closer to the mark.
    But I agree, it's so unlikely as to be completely improbable.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭mayo.mick




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭voz es


    eastwest wrote: »
    And all the land in public ownership, no doubt.

    Would you be supporting that one if it did come about?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 876 ✭✭✭Lord Glentoran


    Another Western Rail Trail map for you, this time showing all the local businesses, sporting and community groups that have lent their support. This is the second in a series, with further maps to follow

    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/athenry-to-sligo-greenway-support_244461

    So far it's only showing the Athenry ones, but will be updated shortly with the 100+ additions from Tuam.

    By the time of the Galway County Council vote on the 24th, there is projected to be several hundred more indications of support from other local groups

    Feedback always welcome

    Hi voz, missed ya buddy, good to see you are well

    Hi Glentoran, how are you doing. I look forward to unravelling your ramblings. You make some entertaining posts

    Harrumph! It's only Glentoran to my intimates. "My Lord" to everyone else. *adjusts monocle*

    Only kidding. Thanks. ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    Press release From: The Western Rail Trail campaign

    September 7th 2018 for immediate release

    Debate about greenway hots up in Galway
    • Deputy Sean Canney claims Taoiseach “MAY” support Railway and makes accusations against his fellow Galway East TDs
    • Minister Ciaran Cannon says Canneys comments “profoundly disappointing”
    • Hundreds of local businesses now support Greenway in County Galway


    A spokesman for the Western rail Trail Campaign to preserve the alignment of the closed rail line from Athenry to Collooney by utilising the route for tourism and leisure as a greenway, until such time as a railway may be possible, today said claims being made by Deputy Sean Canney of Galway East that he may have secured the support of the Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar for the Western Rail Corridor as strange.

    A spokesperson for the Western Rail Trail campaign said “we find Mr Canneys claims surprising perhaps even strange. In 2014 Mr Varadkar stated on an RTE Prime Time interview that “The Western Rail Corridor was built for political reasons and never stacked up on economic grounds nor on transport planning grounds” The interview comments were placed on YouTube by Greenway supporters and can still be seen by anyone.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07kR1YDn9lM

    In addition Mr Varadkar stated in an email to Mr Brendan Quinn of the Western Rail Trail Campaign in June 2013 that “the Government has no plans to extend the western rail corridor nor any other heavy rail line in the state”.

    More recently in the Dail, on February 14th 2018 Mr Varadkar stated the cost benefit case for the Railway to re-open would need to be a cost of 100 to a benefit of 80. As he understood it the current cost benefit analysis on the Western Rail Corridor had shown a cost of 100 and benefit of 6 (six).

    “With these kind of comments coming from the Taoiseach in the recent past we find it difficult to believe he is suddenly going to start supporting The Western Rail Corridor said the Greenway campaign spokesman. It just seems so highly unlikely as to be absurd.”

    Minister Ciaran Cannon, also a TD in Galway East has commented about Mr Canneys accusations made about him and Deputy Anne Rabbitte in regard to the Greenway campaign which they both support.

    In a statement issued by Minister Ciaran Cannon on September 6th he said he found Mr Canneys comments “profoundly disappointing” Mr Cannon was referring to the personal comments Mr Canney made about him and Deputy Anne Rabbitte who both support the pro-tourism greenway project to bring jobs to the Galway East area the greenway will pass through.

    Minister Cannon also suggested Mr Canney should “take some time to study the number of retailers, business people, private individuals, sports organisations, schools and other stakeholders in Athenry, Tuam and Milltown who actually support the creation of the Quiet Man Greenway”

    The Western Rail Trail campaign spokesman said “Thousands of people in the Galway East area are now demanding and supporting a Greenway, it seems that Mr Canney is making these claims to try and muddy the waters for a county council vote on a greenway feasibility study on September 24th” from outside the council chamber.

    ENDS: body text 473 words Contacts: contact via a PM on boards or post on this thread
    sligomayogreenwaycampaign on facebook


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    L1011 wrote: »
    It requires quite the fevered imagination to think the report will find anything in favour

    It doesn't need to. all it needs is Canney Kyne O'Cuiv O'Mahony Ring to collectively make sure it has a wee caveat written into it, that the potential of he Atlantic Economic Corridor means that it might be needed as a railway in the future and the line should be reserved for railway use only.

    This is what they will try to weave into it somewhere no matter what the macro economic arguments are or the demographics or anything else. Its the fixation with stopping the greenway that is more important to this clique


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭voz es


    L1011 wrote: »
    It requires quite the fevered imagination to think the report will find anything in favour
    Are you a moderator for this section?

    If so could you please correct the thread title


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,565 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Just a reminder - speculating on the identity of a poster or trying to reveal their identity is not permitted.

    - Moderator


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭mayo.mick




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭eastwest


    mayo.mick wrote: »

    Translation: another recession will mean loads of money for daft projects.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 876 ✭✭✭Lord Glentoran


    eastwest wrote: »
    Translation: another recession will mean loads of money for daft projects.

    Translation: Let’s keep the West as a cute reservation outside Galway, and forget about growing the country to its real potential.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭voz es


    devnull wrote: »
    Just a reminder - speculating on the identity of a poster or trying to reveal their identity is not permitted.

    - Moderator

    Hi Are you the moderator of this section could you please change the title of the thread if you feel it is the follow on from 'Western rail corridor (all disused sections) to ''Western Rail Corridor (all disused sections) 2'' in keeping with typical boards follow on threads.

    You may feel it is not, just in case that is the case I'm going to start said thread.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭eastwest


    voz es wrote: »
    Hi Are you the moderator of this section could you please change the title of the thread if you feel it is the follow on from 'Western rail corridor (all disused sections) to ''Western Rail Corridor (all disused sections) 2'' in keeping with typical boards follow on threads.

    You may feel it is not, just in case that is the case I'm going to start said thread.
    Seeing that the western rail trail is by far the most likely option for this alignment for the next forty years, I think the thread title is just fine. In fact, the use of the term 'Western rail corridor' is a bit of a misnomer, given that a lot of rails are either missing or are unfit for carrying trains.
    Still, we should leave both terms in place, just to provide balance. This is boards.ie, not west-on-track (where you get banned and blocked for putting any comment that crosses the party line).
    The title is fine as it is, in other words.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    mayo.mick wrote: »

    did he recycle his famous phrase, "the western rail corridor is not up for debate" its not just outside his home town of Charlestown as thankfully sligo coco have done all their debating and opted for a greenway, the same said cllr with his pub in Charlestown should do very nicely from it!


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    Translation: Let’s keep the West as a cute reservation outside Galway, and forget about growing the country to its real potential.

    Could you perhaps remind me and others of the importance of tourism in the West of Ireland, perhaps Minister Ring would like to see the great western greenway torn up for copper mining prospecting, could you let me know how much said Greenway and the Waterford greenway is worth to the local "reservations" Are you aware how many people are involved in the tourism and hospitality sector in the West of Ireland, how many students from the West actually come home in the summer because they can get seasonal jobs due to tourism. Could you let us all know how much internal wealth and economic activity the railway from Ennis to Athenry has generated.

    Lord G you make a sweeping statement sit back in smug satisfaction and you don't seem to realise that the people in the west actually want this greenway but seem convinced that one coilte trainload of logs from Claremorris to Athenry a week will save da wesht. Two words Bull followed by one I am not allowed to use. Just call it soft brown stuff.


  • Posts: 0 Jon Green Geese


    The Quiet Man Greenway group has stepped up their advocacy actions encouraging all members to contact the local County Councillors in Galway to change the minds of those who voted no last year, to yes on Sept 24th when the feasibility study option is again put forward

    I've put together a map showing the location of each Councillor and if they voted yes or no the last time

    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/athenry-to-sligo-greenway-council_244567


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    The Quiet Man Greenway group has stepped up their advocacy actions encouraging all members to contact the local County Councillors in Galway to change the minds of those who voted no last year, to yes on Sept 24th when the feasibility study option is again put forward

    I've put together a map showing the location of each Councillor and if they voted yes or no the last time

    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/athenry-to-sligo-greenway-council_244567

    DC thats brilliant has it gong on the QMG page yet, you might just nudge the Tom Mchugh one slightly to the left if you can Shaun Cunniffe one sits on top of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭eastwest


    westtip wrote: »
    DC thats brilliant has it gong on the QMG page yet, you might just nudge the Tom Mchugh one slightly to the left if you can Shaun Cunniffe one sits on top of it.

    Nudging him to the left might be a bit of a stretch...😆😆


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭voz es



    An that is what is so awful about that greenway, those who want it as not the ones who have been affected by if not being there. International and influence outside of this region is what is driving the campaign so that they can go down for a spin once or twice. It really is something very sad to see that you and people like you Jon Green Geese refuse to look at the affect of your actions on the region as a whole.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 876 ✭✭✭Lord Glentoran


    The Quiet Man Greenway group has stepped up their advocacy actions encouraging all members to contact the local County Councillors in Galway to change the minds of those who voted no last year, to yes on Sept 24th when the feasibility study option is again put forward

    I've put together a map showing the location of each Councillor and if they voted yes or no the last time

    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/athenry-to-sligo-greenway-council_244567

    The Quiet Man, is it now? Begob and bejapers, who dares insult a Danaher, now?

    :D

    John-Ford-the-Quiet-Man.jpg


  • Posts: 0 Jon Green Geese


    voz es wrote: »
    An that is what is so awful about that greenway, those who want it as not the ones who have been affected by if not being there. International and influence outside of this region is what is driving the campaign so that they can go down for a spin once or twice. It really is something very sad to see that you and people like you Jon Green Geese refuse to look at the affect of your actions on the region as a whole.

    As opposed to what? Rusting iron and rotting sleepers?

    IE can make use of the alignment as and when it becomes viable to run trains on it again. Its not currently viable and won't be for several decades so why not make use of the alignment for a greenway in the interim


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭voz es


    As opposed to what? Rusting iron and rotting sleepers?

    IE can make use of the alignment as and when it becomes viable to run trains on it again. Its not currently viable and won't be for several decades so why not make use of the alignment for a greenway in the interim

    Ah what are ya on about your part of a group trying to stop a feasability study for the line being reopened. Just would ya think about what ye are doing down there!


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    voz es wrote: »
    Ah what are ya on about your part of a group trying to stop a feasability study for the line being reopened. Just would ya think about what ye are doing down there!

    I don't see why anyone in favour of the greenway would object to the feasibility study. It will almost definitively kill any chance of the railway reopening in the short-medium term


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭eastwest



    There is real anger building on the ground about this filibustering by a handful of councillors trying to block the feasibility study. It would seem that they prefer to remain in blissful ignorance with regards to the potential uses of the asset.
    It would appear that at least two of them will be turfed out at the next local elections. The citizens are still smarting at the loss of the Apple project and they won't take another wipe out lying down.
    I'd hate to be a wot councillor knocking on doors in athenry or Tuam next may!


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,193 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    marno21 wrote: »
    I don't see why anyone in favour of the greenway would object to the feasibility study. It will almost definitively kill any chance of the railway reopening in the short-medium term

    I'm not sure, but would the study delay any greenway to the point that they could miss out on the greenway funding that's currently going around?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭eastwest


    CatInABox wrote: »
    I'm not sure, but would the study delay any greenway to the point that they could miss out on the greenway funding that's currently going around?

    A lot of people around there believe that the railway review is designed to delay and frustrate the greenway study. After all, despite it being a red line issue for Sean Canney during the formation of government, and promised within six months, it still hasn't comnenced.


  • Posts: 0 Jon Green Geese


    voz es wrote: »
    Ah what are ya on about your part of a group trying to stop a feasability study for the line being reopened. Just would ya think about what ye are doing down there!

    Eh? When has anyone, anywhere said they don't want that rail review done..... Apart from Canney who wants it delayed as long as possible because he knows how poorly it will show the viability of extending that line.

    It's actually the exact opposite in terms of feasibility studies. The 10k members (growing by several hundred a day) are actively campaigning for Galway County Council to apply for funding (53 mil available) to assess the viability of utilising the alignment for a greenway until such time as its needed for rail.

    We would also welcome the (ridiculously late) completion of the rail review feasibility study which will show (as other reports have already shown) that the alignment is worth protecting but that its not a sensible use of govt funds, at this time, to extend the line any further

    If you have evidence to the contrary for anything I've said above, by all means, share it with the class


  • Posts: 0 Jon Green Geese


    CatInABox wrote: »
    I'm not sure, but would the study delay any greenway to the point that they could miss out on the greenway funding that's currently going around?

    The applications for funding are only being accepted for 1-2 months if I recall.

    The study is a delaying action. Any reference to waiting for it, is a delaying action


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 652 ✭✭✭Muckyboots


    voz es wrote: »
    An that is what is so awful about that greenway, those who want it as not the ones who have been affected by if not being there. International and influence outside of this region is what is driving the campaign so that they can go down for a spin once or twice. It really is something very sad to see that you and people like you Jon Green Geese refuse to look at the affect of your actions on the region as a whole.

    You do realise that you wrote this as a reply to a link posted to an editorial in the local paper ? - or were you trying to be ironic?


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