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Bothar Charity under investigation

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  • #32
    thebourke
    Registered Users Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭thebourke


    we have serious problem in this country with white collar crime....


  • #33
    saabsaab
    Registered Users Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    thebourke wrote: »
    we have serious problem in this country with white collar crime....


    All crime.


  • #34
    Mc Love
    Registered Users Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    Will rarely fund any of these charities anymore including pieta house


  • #35
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,279 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Mc Love wrote: »
    Will rarely fund any of these charities anymore including pieta house

    Have read a bit about pieta lately

    Something not right about the whole set up.


  • #36
    chicorytip
    Registered Users Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    YoshiReturns wrote: »
    I have given a lot of money to charities in the past. I feel like I'm being swindled sometimes... And then they keep sending you full colour brochures in the post etc to make you feel extra guilty about the ****ing **** state of the world. With you name and details printed on bank demands.

    One decent upside is that they can claim the income tax you paid on the amount.

    Just need to find a charity to trust.

    But this particular case seems to stink. It's like pissing in the wind giving money to Africa and then you've got the dodgy blokes and blokettes in Ireland creaming money off.
    Trocaire is a trustworthy charity to which I have been donating whatever I can afford for many years. Properly run in a prudent fashion and transparent without the egomaniacal/media monster types in charge as was once the case with Goal, Console and others.


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  • #37
    Limerick Native
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Limerick Native


    Check out today's Irish Independent, full 2 page spread blowing it all open, shocking to say the least.


  • #38
    pjordan
    Registered Users Posts: 368 ✭✭pjordan


    chicorytip wrote: »
    Trocaire is a trustworthy charity to which I have been donating whatever I can afford for many years. Properly run in a prudent fashion and transparent without the egomaniacal/media monster types in charge as was once the case with Goal, Console and others.


    I donate to Trocaire every Easter in lieu of filling the Trocaire box anymore. I also have a monthly direct debit to Concern.



    What actually annoys me however is the regular phone calls I get from Concern (which I ignore) and yesterday I received a mail shot from Trocaire and another from Simon (cos I made a donation in some LLS fundraiser).



    I donated my money to these charities to benefit needy people, not to fund further expensive glossy marketing/mailshots to myself.


  • #39
    Limerick Native
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Limerick Native


    More bad news

    https://newsreader.ie/investigation-found-ex-bothar-ceo-paid-himself-e8000-extra-in-2018-and-2019/?fbclid=IwAR3a6YLbrTEIw6B2GEuwHqiwS4WrAzLi9tQFiUDBXdoxqYloyPZMhdlBi0Q


  • #40
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users Posts: 13,799 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    I never understood why these people get paid so much from what is supposed to be a charity organisation. I know people will come along and say you don't get the experience and knowledge necessary to run these companies from people less paid, but if you're going into charity work expecting large wages, you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

    I don't donate because of things like this. I genuinely can't trust any of them. Nobody should be getting rich from charity work.


  • #41
    mycro2013
    Registered Users Posts: 350 ✭✭mycro2013


    Had experience of bothar. My parents have livestock and wanted to donate an animal for the charity. Bothar weren't interested in the dairy heifer all they wanted was a cash donation.

    They questioned my parents rationale for not giving a cash donation of a similar amount to the value of the livestock. My fathers response was apt giving the goings on" you cant squander the cow, as the person receiving the cow can only receive a full not a partial animal.


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  • #42
    kirving
    Registered Users Posts: 5,877 ✭✭✭kirving


    pjordan wrote: »
    What actually annoys me however is the regular phone calls I get from Concern (which I ignore)

    Call them and ask them to take you off all mailings. They do take that seriously as they don't want to irritate existing donors.


  • #43
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,324 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    stuckintipp wrote: »

    I was reading about a charity, headed by a former irish celebrity, a well know know man, in their last accounts their income was €7 million, they spent €6.5 on salary's, PR, advertising, office costs etc All the while he gets media coverage, book publicity making him out to be a saint

    Which charity is this please? You won't be breaching any confidences as they all report this information to the Charity Regulator.

    Spending on salaries isn't a bad thing in labour intensive sectors like homeless services or disability care services.


  • #44
    Bicyclette
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭Bicyclette


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Which charity is this please? You won't be breaching any confidences as they all report this information to the Charity Regulator.

    Spending on salaries isn't a bad thing in labour intensive sectors like homeless services or disability care services.

    This sounds like Irish Autism Action.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/autism-charity-collapses-after-years-of-financial-struggles-1.3826365


  • #45
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,324 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Bicyclette wrote: »
    This sounds like Irish Autism Action.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/autism-charity-collapses-after-years-of-financial-struggles-1.3826365

    Possibly, though the post seems to be confusing fund raising costs and operating costs. It might have been helpful to explain that the charity has been shut down.


  • #46
    jay0109
    Registered Users Posts: 2,669 ✭✭✭jay0109


    The previous CEO of Bothar also being looked at. he resigned in 2011 but still got large payments for 4 years after
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/payments-to-second-ex-bothar-ceo-being-probed-by-charity-40311283.html


  • #47
    JibJabWibWab
    Closed Accounts Posts: 161 ✭✭JibJabWibWab


    jay0109 wrote: »
    The previous CEO of Bothar also being looked at. he resigned in 2011 but still got large payments for 4 years after
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/payments-to-second-ex-bothar-ceo-being-probed-by-charity-40311283.html

    I will never contribute to any charity with a "CEO".
    Peter McVerry Trust had an income of 46 million in 2019 and spent 26 million on staff.
    They only spent 9.5 million on actual housing.
    The average wage is over 52k.

    Google Peter McVerry Trust financial accounts 2019 for source.


  • #48
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,324 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    JibJabWibWab wrote: »
    I will never contribute to any charity with a "CEO".
    Peter McVerry Trust had an income of 46 million in 2019 and spent 26 million on staff.
    They only spent 9.5 million on actual housing.
    The average wage is over 52k.
    F**k off...

    Google Peter McVerry Trust financial accounts 2019 for source.

    Housing isn't much good without people to operate it and support residents. Homeless services are labour intensive. PMV aren't a building company.

    Unless of course, you're an expert in running homeless services yourself?


  • #49
    Clareman
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 23,923 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    Just a reminder folks that this is the Limerick regional forum so please keep the topics to Limerick related issues. This forum isn't a general charity forum or 1 that can discuss other charities. Also, the Bothar investigation is an ongoing case so please include a link to any article you are quoting when discussing it.


  • #50
    JibJabWibWab
    Closed Accounts Posts: 161 ✭✭JibJabWibWab


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Housing isn't much good without people to operate it and support residents. Homeless services are labour intensive. PMV aren't a building company.

    Unless of course, you're an expert in running homeless services yourself?
    In 2019, Peter McVerry Trust supported 6,184 unique individuals across our services.

    Over the course of the year, our Housing With Supports team made a total of 50,000 home supports visits to social housing tenants across Ireland.

    When you divide that workload by the 460 frontline staff, across the full year, it doesn't seem particularly efficient...

    https://pmvtrust.ie/annual-report-2019/

    https://pmvtrust.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/2019-PMVT-CLG-Signed-Audited-Accounts.pdf


  • #51
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,441 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    jay0109 wrote: »
    The previous CEO of Bothar also being looked at. he resigned in 2011 but still got large payments for 4 years after
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/payments-to-second-ex-bothar-ceo-being-probed-by-charity-40311283.html

    From personal experience, this is a portion of that particular charity that will bare fruit IMO.
    From Cooperation North, some Brothers of Charity affiliated work and the G.A.P of the late 90's there is a lot of interest in those activities that would hold a lot of interest for investigation.

    The model of the charity sector in Ireland is quite open to abuse and from personal and professional experience, it is both common and a huge obstacle to effective action on both Government policy and actual charitable supports.


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  • #52
    Clareman
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 23,923 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    OK folks, this is a topic for discussion that really isn't suitable for a regional forum, not only are the mods not up to speed with the state of charities in Ireland but we aren't in a position to make judgment on any discussion on the topic. Please keep the topic to Limerick specific and we can keep the thread open.

    If you would like to discuss the charity sector I would suggest the Current Affairs/IMHO forum would be an apt location for such a discussion.


  • #53
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users Posts: 30,150 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Peter Ireton, the founder and former chief executive of the Limerick-based charity, Bóthar, was found dead in his home this morning, in what was described as a “personal tragedy”.

    https://www.google.as/amp/s/www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/founder-of-charity-bothar-found-dead-at-home-gardai-rule-out-foul-play-1113915.html


  • #54
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    Peter Ireton, the founder and former chief executive of the Limerick-based charity, Bóthar, was found dead in his home this morning, in what was described as a “personal tragedy”.

    https://www.google.as/amp/s/www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/founder-of-charity-bothar-found-dead-at-home-gardai-rule-out-foul-play-1113915.html

    That charity seems to be making headlines for all the wrong reasons.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • #55
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,279 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Ah that’s awful. He was the founder ?


  • #56
    munstergirl
    Registered Users Posts: 771 ✭✭✭munstergirl


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Ah that’s awful. He was the founder ?

    Yes he was one of the co founders. It's the CEO who took over from him that is in court at moment.

    https://newsreader.ie/payments-to-second-ex-bothar-ceo-being-probed-by-charity/

    In court last week Bóthar has said that as far as the board was concerned, Mr Ireton retired in 2011.


    Here is an article from 2013, where he was still working for them

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20247633.html%3ftype=amp

    It's very sad for all the honest people involved, it seemed to be a great charity to help the poorest feed themselves.

    Hopefully the truth will come out.
    It's very sad for his friends and family.
    May he rest in peace.


  • #57
    Cherrycoke
    Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Cherrycoke


    This is so sad. My family had dealings with the charity a long time ago, and Peter was always an absolute gentleman. May he RIP.


  • #58
    finbarrk
    Registered Users Posts: 5,411 ✭✭✭finbarrk


    Personally, I never felt comfortable knowing livestock from Ireland was being sent to the extreme heat and hunger of parts of Africa.


  • #59
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 40,953 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    finbarrk wrote: »
    Personally, I never felt comfortable knowing livestock from Ireland was being sent to the extreme heat and hunger of parts of Africa.

    ... becuase they dont have cows or goats in africa ??


  • #60
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    finbarrk wrote: »
    Personally, I never felt comfortable knowing livestock from Ireland was being sent to the extreme heat and hunger of parts of Africa.

    A friend of mine did a lot of charity work in various parts of Africa and he told me they treat donated animals incredibly well. It's not like the beast is just dropped off without any preparation, every aspect of the animals care and needs are thought of and prepared for.

    They are basically treated like a goose that lays golden eggs.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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  • #61
    thebourke
    Registered Users Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭thebourke


    now up to 770k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/significant-admissions-made-by-ex-bothar-ceo-as-sum-misappropriated-rises-to-770000-40361203.html


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