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Rammstein, Belfast

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  • #242
    melekalikimaka
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    senordingdong wrote: »
    The band would be paid by their management but both the management, and the local promoter need to distribute the extra haulage costs against what is usually one date on this island, also the higher tax/insurance/labour costs as well as the day lost before/after as a result of the extra travel.
    So both need to determine a minimum 'break even' return and then decide if there is sufficient demand/fan support for said act, to ensure they get it.

    That's why big shows like ac/DC, rolling stones and non Jovi are guaranteed but more niche acts like Rammstein, Lindemann, Marilyn Manson, nine inch nails are not.

    I guess maybe to clarify, fixed costs are spread over multiple venue shows in UK, they are not here


  • #243
    senordingdong
    Registered Users Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    melekalikimaka wrote: »
    I guess maybe to clarify, fixed costs are spread over multiple venue shows in UK, they are not here

    I definitely think that's the biggest factor.


  • #244
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 20,929 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Another factor is record sales are gone and playing a town no longer causes a sales boost , just .00000020 cent a stream :)


  • #245
    Jimmy Bottlehead
    Registered Users Posts: 10,118 ✭✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    Hoboo wrote: »
    Money goes to the account not the card, you'll be fine

    Good call, it arrived today.


  • #246
    senordingdong
    Registered Users Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    Another factor is record sales are gone and playing a town no longer causes a sales boost , just .00000020 cent a stream :)

    Most bands are actually touring more (pre covid) and it's because there is no money for them anymore in album sales, whereas they get much more from touring.
    Rammstein were doing alot of touring even before the latest album was released.

    Some bands are even intentionally 'phoning it in' in the studio to meet their record contract obligations.


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  • #247
    MetzgerMeister
    Registered Users Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    senordingdong wrote: »
    there is no money for them anymore in album sales, whereas they get much more from touring.

    I often think how lucky bands like Rammstein, Metallica etc. are that they began when album sales were actually a thing as opposed to a band starting out today and trying to make it.

    I know both have always toured but it was always to promote the album sales as well as making a living whereas now it's a source of income in and of itself.


  • #248
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 20,929 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    MetzgerMeister wrote: »
    I often think how lucky bands like Rammstein, Metallica etc. are that they began when album sales were actually a thing as opposed to a band starting out today and trying to make it.

    I know both have always toured but it was always to promote the album sales as well as making a living whereas now it's a source of income in and of itself.

    the days of rockstar exciting biographies will end soon


  • #249
    Say Your Number
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    the days of rockstar exciting biographies will end soon

    I wouldn't miss hearing about the cliched nonsense of rockstars pissing on groupies or smashing up hotel rooms or any of that done to death crap.


  • #250
    senordingdong
    Registered Users Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    MetzgerMeister wrote: »
    I often think how lucky bands like Rammstein, Metallica etc. are that they began when album sales were actually a thing as opposed to a band starting out today and trying to make it.

    I know both have always toured but it was always to promote the album sales as well as making a living whereas now it's a source of income in and of itself.
    I would think both are big enough to have not suffered too much fall out but Rammstein were especially lucky getting LIFAD out before the arse fell out of the record selling industry, and didn't release another album until the lay of the land allowed them to dictate the terms etc.


  • #251
    MetzgerMeister
    Registered Users Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    senordingdong wrote: »
    I would think both are big enough to have not suffered too much fall out but Rammstein were especially lucky getting LIFAD out before the arse fell out of the record selling industry, and didn't release another album until the lay of the land allowed them to dictate the terms etc.

    Exactly my point.


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  • #252
    Say Your Number
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    Kate Bush wouldn't get away without playing any live shows for 35 years if she was starting out now.


  • #253
    s8n
    Registered Users Posts: 3,832 ✭✭✭s8n


    Say Your Number wrote: »
    Kate Bush wouldn't get away without playing any live shows for 35 years if she was starting out now.

    keep running up that hill


  • #254
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 20,929 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Say Your Number wrote: »
    Kate Bush wouldn't get away without playing any live shows for 35 years if she was starting out now.

    That’s the perfect example, not too many people buy Kate bush tee shirts


  • #255
    Alkers
    Registered Users Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Alkers


    Is anyone else still waiting on the refund? I've nine tickets that I'm due for with nothing received


  • #256
    gaming_needs90
    Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭gaming_needs90


    Alkers wrote: »
    Is anyone else still waiting on the refund? I've nine tickets that I'm due for with nothing received

    Got it and minus fees I believe

    EDIT: Apologies, I got all the fees back! I actually made money due to the conversion I think!


  • #257
    Jofspring
    Registered Users Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    Alkers wrote: »
    Is anyone else still waiting on the refund? I've nine tickets that I'm due for with nothing received

    Ya still waiting on the refund. It could be processed but my credit card takes ages to show up transactions.


  • #258
    MetzgerMeister
    Registered Users Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    gaming_needs90 wrote: »
    Got it and minus fees I believe

    EDIT: Apologies, I got all the fees back! I actually made money due to the conversion I think!

    Ticketmaster or EventIM?


  • #259
    gaming_needs90
    Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭gaming_needs90


    MetzgerMeister wrote: »
    Ticketmaster or EventIM?

    Ticketmaster


  • #260
    MetzgerMeister
    Registered Users Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    Got my refund from EventIM less fees. I originally paid £668.85 for 6 FeuerZone tickets and received back £609.45. W@nkers!


  • #261
    Alkers
    Registered Users Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Alkers


    MetzgerMeister wrote: »
    Got my refund from EventIM less fees. I originally paid £668.85 for 6 FeuerZone tickets and received back £609.45. W@nkers!

    Definitely dispute that, IIRC, this was all paid for before COVID?

    I got a call from my old bank today, that they'd received a few refunds for me to an old account of mine, which I'd since closed.


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  • #262
    MetzgerMeister
    Registered Users Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    Yeah it was paid on the first day of the LIFAD presale which was July 3rd 2019.

    The problem is that their terms and conditions say that they don't refund fees so I don't know how fruitful a dispute would be.


  • #263
    Jofspring
    Registered Users Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    Anybody else still waiting for their refund?


  • #264
    ts_editor
    Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭ts_editor


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  • #265
    lbj666
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭lbj666


    Really buoyed by the fact they are coming eventually.

    Only thing is I think there are a series of gigs in Ormeau park that time of year so it's possible it will on a stage they are given. Live show is bound to take a revamp anyway but it might not the be scale of their current tour with flame throwers mounted on the speaker stakes etc. mad metropolis style tower etc.



  • #266
    Aisling(",)
    Registered Users Posts: 6,378 ✭✭✭Aisling(",)


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119021050#Comment_119021050

    I'd say there'll definitely be some Rammstein flair to the stage. A friend was working in the point the last time they played there and they expected the usual stage set up. Instead the Rammstein stage hands essentially rolled in an entire new stage set up and had it ready to go in a few hours. German efficiency at its best.It's going back a good few years now but fingers crossed.


    Has anyone been able to figure out the ticket info for the 2023 gig? I saw they tickets will be available from June 2nd but I was assuming it was fanclub presale but I can't make head nor tails of it.



  • #267
    Shred
    Registered Users Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Shred


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116279#Comment_119116279

    You didn't hear that 'announcement' wasn't true I take it?

    Rammstein World - Official denial about Rammstein's 2023 tour announcement

    Fingers crossed another tour will happen next year anyway.!



  • #268
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 20,929 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116279#Comment_119116279

    Surely they are not that clueless and detached that they didn’t really think a usual stage set up was in order ?



  • #269
    Aisling(",)
    Registered Users Posts: 6,378 ✭✭✭Aisling(",)


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119130408#Comment_119130408

    Oh no! I hadn't seen it at all. Explains why all the information was so convoluted .

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119130430#Comment_119130430

    They just turned up to work as they were rostered and had never even heard of Rammstein. They weren't the type to take much notice of whatever artists are listed in the venue.



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