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Ex RTÉ producer sentenced to 18 months in prison

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    #32
    Boom_Bap
    Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,730 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Why do concurrent sentences exist at all can anyone tell me? It's like a ''commit one crime, get the second one free'' offer. I don't get it. Basically getting away with it.

    I don't get it either, it's probably something to do with keeping populations low in the clink.


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    #33
    screamer
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Why do concurrent sentences exist at all can anyone tell me? It's like a ''commit one crime, get the second one free'' offer. I don't get it. Basically getting away with it.
    Because prisons are busting at the seams. I'd love to farm some of the biggest scumbags out to the biggest **** hole prisons in the world. If they got out alive they'd never ever want to go back.


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    #34
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    screamer wrote: »
    Because prisons are busting at the seams. I'd love to farm some of the biggest scumbags out to the biggest **** hole prisons in the world. If they got out alive they'd never ever want to go back.

    Somewhere like Honduras.

    The inmates run their joints, prison guards keep watch over the perimeter, they don't enter the actual prison.

    So unless you have money or criminal connections the bosses are going to treat you like a slave for the duration of your sentence.


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    #35
    suicide_circus
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    pistolpetes11 wrote: »
    Brilliant how quickly the UK Courts dealt with this case , he would be still out on bail in Ireland
    It's amazing the difference


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    #36
    shamrock55
    Registered Users Posts: 7,208 ✭✭✭shamrock55


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    You can't convict people on what they might do.

    You might pick up a shovel, and cave someone's skull in, but we don't imprison you for it.

    Yes but if I was on my way to someone's house with said shovel with the intention to cave someone's head in and got stopped at the door by cops,the crime was going to happen alright it just got stopped


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    #37
    Strazdas
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    pistolpetes11 wrote: »
    Brilliant how quickly the UK Courts dealt with this case , he would be still out on bail in Ireland

    On bail? The Gardai and PSNI are refusing to even charge anyone caught by vigilante gangs in this fashion, there has never been such a case before the courts north or south and probably never will be.


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    #38
    washman3
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    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    You can't convict people on what they might do.

    You might pick up a shovel, and cave someone's skull in, but we don't imprison you for it.

    It's exactly because of attitudes like this that these evil scumbags exist.


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    #39
    end of the road
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    washman3 wrote: »
    It's exactly because of attitudes like this that these evil scumbags exist.

    no it isn't.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #40
    HappyAsLarE
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    God that’s an awfully short sentence.


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    #41
    actaphobia
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    What disturbs me almost as much as his actions is the behavior of these vigilante groups who effectively stalk these predators. There is something disturbing, something that just doesn't sit right, with the almost gleeful satisfaction of seeing someone else's life ruined, albeit self-inflicted. I've seen some of the social media remarks and it is sickening.

    I also think it is a class issue - the vigilantes all seem similar in background; certainly they are not middle class


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    #42
    doolox
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    Sexual abuse id a huge problem and the root of a lot of alcoholism, drug addiction and other self destructive behaviour among people. THe perpatrators are often former victims themselves and their moral compass has often been destroyed by other monsters in their past lives.

    I do not know if they can be reformed or made not to repeat their behaviours but the Church made this mistake in moving paedophile priests around the place in the hope that they would reform and not repeat their deeds elsewhere. It seems that only constant and never ending supervision and confinement from general society and full disclosure to responsible members of society will prevent further offences, how to do this without exciting the anger of the rougher and less disciplined members of society, who might be tempted to resort to more sanguinary and rougher solutions to the problem, is a huge dilemma.


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    #43
    Flippyfloppy
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    actaphobia wrote: »

    I also think it is a class issue - the vigilantes all seem similar in background; certainly they are not middle class

    Oh, how ghastly! One could go as far as to say it's frightful!


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    #44
    doolox
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    You need to be able to deny the more primitive urges in order to survive in the current climate. Any "protection" the privileged classes had in the past are long gone. People will not get away with wrong doing anymore.


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    #45
    JenovaProject
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    actaphobia wrote: »
    What disturbs me almost as much as his actions is the behavior of these vigilante groups who effectively stalk these predators. There is something disturbing, something that just doesn't sit right, with the almost gleeful satisfaction of seeing someone else's life ruined, albeit self-inflicted. I've seen some of the social media remarks and it is sickening.

    I also think it is a class issue - the vigilantes all seem similar in background; certainly they are not middle class

    You are almost as disturbed by these vigilante groups who catch paedophiles as you are about child molesting paedophiles?
    Thats an awful shame.


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    #46
    ceadaoin.
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    doolox wrote: »
    Sexual abuse id a huge problem and the root of a lot of alcoholism, drug addiction and other self destructive behaviour among people. THe perpatrators are often former victims themselves and their moral compass has often been destroyed by other monsters in their past lives.

    I do not know if they can be reformed or made not to repeat their behaviours but the Church made this mistake in moving paedophile priests around the place in the hope that they would reform and not repeat their deeds elsewhere. It seems that only constant and never ending supervision and confinement from general society and full disclosure to responsible members of society will prevent further offences, how to do this without exciting the anger of the rougher and less disciplined members of society, who might be tempted to resort to more sanguinary and rougher solutions to the problem, is a huge dilemma.

    The church didn't make a mistake, they actively covered up crimes and didnt care that the paedophile priests continued abusing. If they did they would have done something about it after the first couple of times a priest had to be moved. They weren't hoping to reform the abuser, only make the problem in that particular area go away when the whispers got too loud.


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    #47
    [Deleted User]
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    1 year and a half?...... Is there any consideration given to child safety at all any more? Did he have to actually rape and brutalise a child like the Athlone case before a more appropriate sentence could be dished out?

    The sick fúck should have got years not months. Intention with meeting a child to have sex with them and only 18 months???? Sickening


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    #48
    muckbrien
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    Flippyfloppy wrote: »
    He was blackmailing kids for photos as well

    Terrible that tbh

    Kids could be tormented over it and afraid to talk about it


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    #49
    Zebra3
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    The church didn't make a mistake, they actively covered up crimes and didnt care that the paedophile priests continued abusing. If they did they would have done something about it after the first couple of times a priest had to be moved. They weren't hoping to reform the abuser, only make the problem in that particular area go away when the whispers got too loud.

    Be careful telling the truth around here about the crimes of the Roman church. Irks a lot of people for some reason. :rolleyes:


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    #50
    ceadaoin.
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    Flippyfloppy wrote: »
    Additionally, just after he was caught and his facebook was still active his trips abroad were from countries associated with child sex tourism

    Australia have brought in a law to deny passports to convicted child sex offenders. I think it's a great idea and think more countries should follow suit. It will make a big difference to abused children in countries that people travel to specifically to commit abuse.


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    #51
    muckbrien
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    actaphobia wrote: »
    What disturbs me almost as much as his actions is the behavior of these vigilante groups who effectively stalk these predators. There is something disturbing, something that just doesn't sit right, with the almost gleeful satisfaction of seeing someone else's life ruined, albeit self-inflicted. I've seen some of the social media remarks and it is sickening.

    I also think it is a class issue - the vigilantes all seem similar in background; certainly they are not middle class

    Plenty of scumbags I'll wager among the paedophile hunters

    They seem to attract riff raff to their ranks


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    #52
    Hammer89
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    Should've got 20 years, but that's because he was planning on bringing her to a Leeds match.


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    #53
    Ursus Horribilis
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    Sounds like an overly lenient sentence to me. Even accepting that he was stung by this group, it's disturbing to think about what could have happened. Any sort of sexual abuse is appalling but when it's a child it's so much worse. It's not just about the sex acts themselves, it's about a grown man taking advantage of a vulnerable child who doesn't know how to handle the situation. Having said that, perhaps the length of the sentence is irrelevant. Creavan is now a household name in Ireland and he's not going to find life outside of prison easy.


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    #54
    clappyhappy
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    Flippyfloppy wrote: »
    As young as 8 years old 😡

    The dirty bastard I hope he gets the right karma in prison.


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    #55
    REXER
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    muckbrien wrote: »
    Plenty of scumbags I'll wager among the paedophile hunters

    They seem to attract riff raff to their ranks

    Amazing how you got all that from just their accents! :eek:


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    erica74
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    1 year and a half?...... Is there any consideration given to child safety at all any more? Did he have to actually rape and brutalise a child like the Athlone case before a more appropriate sentence could be dished out?

    The sick fúck should have got years not months. Intention with meeting a child to have sex with them and only 18 months???? Sickening

    Has that guy ever been sentenced? I can't find on Google if the cases against him have been dealt with by the courts?

    Apologies, I didn't look hard enough - https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/man-who-raped-girls-in-athlone-gets-two-life-sentences-1.1711509?mode=amp
    In a plea for mitigation, Martin Giblin SC, defending, said the defendant had a difficult family background and his father had abandoned him when he was six.

    Who. Fucking. Cares.
    The two girls told specialist child interviewers that they were playing on a tree and had not eaten any cake yet.

    The absolute innocence of that part of the interview.


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    #57
    Jack Kanoff
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    18 months sentence...will do a year and then deported with a banning order on entering the country again.
    Not sure if many people saw his account, but it was all female and all seemed below 18... But the account he was messaging was an obvious catfish and surprised a devious individual like himself fell for it.


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    #58
    tritium
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    Flippyfloppy wrote: »
    And we'd have absolutely no idea of his identity...

    Generally the name of the convicted is available here unless revealing it would lead to the victim being identified I believe. The victim can waive that

    We don’t however name the accused pre conviction in such cases. I believe that to be a good thing, the UK could probably take a leaf out of our book on that respect tbh.


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    #59
    Dr Brown
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    Anyone see the recent picture of this beast he looks like hes aged 20 years since getting arrested last year.

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    Dr Brown
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    actaphobia wrote: »
    What disturbs me almost as much as his actions is the behavior of these vigilante groups who effectively stalk these predators. There is something disturbing, something that just doesn't sit right, with the almost gleeful satisfaction of seeing someone else's life ruined, albeit self-inflicted. I've seen some of the social media remarks and it is sickening.

    I also think it is a class issue - the vigilantes all seem similar in background; certainly they are not middle class


    Middle class people would have alot more to lose if they became "vigilantes" because they could be sued if the suspect was to get off.


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    Nekarsulm
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    In our local newspaper this week (The Anglo Celt) there is a court report of a 32 year old charged with defilment of a 16 year old in a crypt in a graveyard.

    18 months suspended.


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