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  • #9452
    py2006
    Registered Users Posts: 9,847 ✭✭✭py2006


    You mean the Fingal area and not Finglas itself?


  • #9453
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    You sure it's not just the Wexford accent?

    RTE radio had a show on it a while back.
    https://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/2010/1118/646553-radio-documentary-yola-language-wexford/


  • #9454
    Say my name
    Registered Users Posts: 11,020 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    Irish wasn't the only language in danger of being forgotten in Ireland. There were two other languages derived from Middle English that died out at the end of the 19th century.



    Yola or Forth and Bargy dialect which was centered in the Forth and Bargy baronies of South Wexford and Fingallian which was centered around Finglas in Dublin.


    The link below is a short summary of the history and some songs in Yola.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forth_and_Bargy_dialect
    That's Quare talk Buford!!


    There's a Wexford town accent that's identical to the Belfast accent.
    Us country people always had to give a second look to understand them first and then to just to be sure where they were from.


  • #9455
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Talking of the sunny south east. I bet you didn’t know that some of the accents and pronunciations of rural Ireland, particularly in that area, are influenced not by Hibernian English alone but by old English. Ye is an obvious one.

    Another is the pronunciation of the ea in certain words. In modern English the word beat and beet are pronounced the same. Not always, hence the different spellings. The rural Irish pronunciation (bate) is from a time when the ea was enunciated as the ay sound, rather than the ee sound. The old use of ea still exists in some words: great (grayte), which clearly isn’t the same as greet.

    My tippperary cousins used to pronounce Whealen as whaylen.

    This shift was happening around the time of Shakespeare who sometimes rhymes please with trays, as in the standard stage Irish playse (your honour).

    This guy talks about how Shakespeare probably pronounced film as filum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHNmAdNUSnk


    More in the vowel shift (yet to be completed in Tipp but almost there) from wiki here.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift


  • #9456
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Say my name wrote: »
    That's Quare talk Buford!!


    There's a Wexford town accent that's identical to the Belfast accent.
    Us country people always had to give a second look to understand them first and then to just to be sure where they were from.

    The Tralee accent, the pure townie one, is exactly the same as the Cork city accent. There's a few different ones in the different suburbs which is kinda funny for a relatively small town.


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  • #9457
    RiderOnTheStorm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭RiderOnTheStorm


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  • #9458
    Wibbs
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    This guy talks about how Shakespeare probably pronounced film as filum.
    Not a surprise F as many Hiberno English pronunciations and words are, or were moreso in the recent past, more "elizabethan" in origin and nature. The "press" instead of the "cupboard" is one, "amn't" another and yet another would be "shore" instead of "drain".

    Here's Hamlet's famous soliloquy in what may be close to the original pronunciation:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYiYd9RcK5M


    It has more than the hint of Irish to it, with a chunk of Mancunian. I reckon if Liam Shakespeare was dropped into a town in West Cork today, he'd be grand, where his modern descendants from Stratford would be scratching their heads. :D

    *EDIT* I recalled another "Crature" instead of "Creature", "Raison" instead of "reason" is Middle English pronunciation. E was more A kinda thing. That vowel shift thing Franz noted above.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #9459
    Thepillowman
    Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭Thepillowman


    Whealan pronounced Whaylan here in East Clare as well. Up the road in East Galway older people pronounce the following surnames
    Fallon as Fol-on
    Duggan as Du-gan
    Connaire as Quin-yer
    Long time lurker on this thread really enjoy it


  • #9460
    humberklog
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,393 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    There's a town in New Mexico called Truth Or Consequence.
    This sounds like one of those badass frontiers towns like Bonesteel or Slaughterville however the facts are a bit more tame. Up until 1950 Truth Or Consequences NM was called Hot Springs NM.

    An NBC radio quiz show wanted to celebrate its 10th anniversary by hosting the show in a town that would rename itself after the quiz show- Truth and Consequences. The mad basterds of Hot Springs accepted this challenge and changed the town's name and stuck with it to this day.


  • #9461
    mzungu
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    On October 20, 1986, 87 passengers and 7 crew members on the Russian Aeroflot Flight 6502 took off from Yekaterinburg headed to Grozny via Samara (which was called Kuybyshev at the time). When coming in for a landing, Captain Alexander Kliuyev made a deadly bet with the First Officer, insisting that he planned to land the Tu-134-A aircraft with no visual contact with the ground. Two minutes before landing at 3:48 p.m. at an altitude of 1,300 feet, Kliuyev ordered the flight engineer to pull the curtains over the cockpit windscreen, boasting that he would have no problem landing the plane using instruments only.

    The result? Alarms went off but the pilot ignored them. The air traffic controller suggested utilising an NDB approach. An NDB approach is a non-precision approach that lacks vertical guidance. A proximity warning was issued at an altitude of around 200 feet and the ATC suggested that he go around. But Kliuyev disagreed and continued. The plane touched down way too fast and flipped upside down after over running the runway and burst into flames.

    63 people died at the time of the accident and seven more died in the hospital later. Co-pilot Gennady Zhirnov did his best to save the passengers but wound up dying of a heart attack on the way to the hospital.

    Kliuyev survived was sentenced to 15 years in prison but was released after only 6 years.


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  • #9462
    KevRossi
    Registered Users Posts: 4,369 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    Checking checkers checking Checkers check checkers checking checks.

    (Written in American English) is a perfectly valid sentence. Although there might be a comma or two missing.


  • #9463
    pleas advice
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    Buffalo


  • #9464
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    humberklog wrote: »
    There's a town in New Mexico called Truth Or Consequence.
    .

    It features in a Bruce Springsteen song "The last to die"

    We took the highway till the road went black
    We marked Truth Or Consequences on our map
    A voice drifted up from the radio
    And I heard a voice from long ago

    Who'll be the last to die for a mistake
    The last to die for a mistake
    Whose blood will spill, whose heart will break
    Who'll be the last to die for a mistake

    Great song actually, you gotta love the boss!


  • #9465
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    py2006 wrote: »
    You mean the Fingal area and not Finglas itself?
    Yeah, edited now, thanks for that.



    D'OH!:)


  • #9466
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
    Registered Users Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    Speaking of surname pronunciations, back in East Mayo I often heard Walsh pronounced as Welsh and Keane as Kane.


  • #9467
    Realt Dearg Sec
    Registered Users Posts: 10,821 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »
    Speaking of surname pronunciations, back in East Mayo I often heard Walsh pronounced as Welsh and Keane as Kane.

    Walsh is Welsh in Kilkenny as well


  • #9468
    Emmersonn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Emmersonn


    Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »
    Walsh is Welsh in Kilkenny as well
    Same in Cork


  • #9469
    cdeb
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,125 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Because the name literally means "person from Wales"

    In Irish it's Breathnach


  • #9470
    jonski
    Registered Users Posts: 6,389 ✭✭✭jonski


    Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »
    Speaking of surname pronunciations, back in East Mayo I often heard Walsh pronounced as Welsh and Keane as Kane.

    Same in Limerick


  • #9471
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,103 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Leahy is Leehe in Cork, Lahi in Clare and Tipperary.


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  • #9472
    Standman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭Standman


    Apologies if this has been mentioned before on the thread, but on the subject of language...

    Proto-Indo-European, a language thought to have been spoken around 4000 BC, is the common ancestor of the most widespread family of languages in the world.

    There are no known written examples, all we are left with are its descendants: Irish and other Celtic languages, Romance languages, even Hindi/Urdu in South Asia and various others in between:

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    Although we'll never know the composition of this language for certain, linguists have actually been able to reconstruct hypothetical Proto-Indo-European (PIE) words by comparing its descendant languages and deducing from there.

    With these words, they have been able to discern things about their society and culture that would have been impossible otherwise (bar chance archeological finds). It's believed they worshiped gods, chief among them being Dyēus Phter (sky father), used wheels, recited epic poems and were a patriarchal society.

    Just to see how it looks, below is a segment of the first text composed with reconstructed Proto-Indo-European words:
    PIE: Avis akvāsas ka.
    Avis, jasmin varnā na ā ast, dadarka akvams, tam, vāgham garum vaghantam, tam, bhāram magham, tam, manum āku bharantam. Avis akvabhjams ā vavakat: kard aghnutai mai vidanti manum akvams agantam.


    English: The Sheep and the Horses
    [On a hill,] a sheep that had no wool saw horses, one of them pulling a heavy wagon, one carrying a big load, and one carrying a man quickly. The sheep said to the horses: "My heart pains me, seeing a man driving horses."
    I think it's fascinating - we know next to nothing about these people, but in a way their language and culture are still with us today. How were they so successful that their language swept across such vast distances? Was it by the sword, or was it the result of some simple technological advantage? There are plenty of theories, but we'll probably never know for sure.

    It's awe-inspiring to think that their words and ideas may remain hidden in our modern languages - whispers from a forgotten people who lived and died thousands of years ago.

    An interesting side note: Basque is the only surviving language in Western Europe to pre-date Indo-European - for reasons unknown it managed to resist the linguistic onslaught that overcame other Pre-Indo-European languages millennia ago, surviving to this day around the French & Spanish border. It's a language isolate, unrelated to any other known language. What was their secret, I wonder...


  • #9473
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Have a read up on David Reich and the Yamnaya culture, they are a good candididate for bringing proto indo european into Eastern Europe.
    Another couple books on the subject are The indo Europeans by JP Mallory and The Horse and the Wheel by David Anthony.

    The Romans remarked that the language spoke in Aquitane was similar to Basque, it may be a case that the language withehld in areas that weren’t over run by the Romans (like Ireland, Scotland and Wales there is also a male DNa line that is found in very high proportions, most likely spread by the descendants of the Yamnaya people).
    The language may be linked to Nuragic from Sardinia and I read that given how little the dialects have diverged it may not be more ancient than indo european.

    Also in the movie Prometheus, David speaks to the engineer in proto indo european.


  • #9474
    Raheem Euro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 327 ✭✭Raheem Euro


    Ipso wrote: »
    Have a read up on David Reich and the Yamnaya culture, they are a good candididate for bringing proto indo european into Eastern Europe.
    Another couple books on the subject are The indo Europeans by JP Mallory and The Horse and the Wheel by David Anthony.

    The Romans remarked that the language spoke in Aquitane was simolar to Basque, it may be a case that the language withehld in areas that weren’t over run by the Romans (like Ireland, Scotland and Wales there is also a male DNa line that is found in very high proportions, most likely spread by the descendants of the Yamnaya people).
    The language may be linked to Nuragic from Sardinia and I read that given how little the dialects have diverged it may not be more ancient than indo european.

    Also in the movie Prometheus, David speaks to the engineer in proto indo european.

    Yamnaya (pit grave/kurgen) also had advanced metallurgy.
    They would have had bronze tools and weapons. They were house mounted. They must have seen very advanced to the indigenous Europeans when they moved in. They would likely have been seen as lords or leaders. If things ever got violent though their bronze weapons would have been decisive.


  • #9475
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Was Dyes Piter a precursor for later gods (including our current idea of the big one as a fatherly figure who lives in the heavens)?
    Is it linked to Jupiter, Zeus, Deus, Dia etc


  • #9476
    cdeb
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,125 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    There's still a little bit to run on this thread, but not much. Presumably it'll get locked at 10k posts and a new one started, so we're 95% of the way.

    With that in mind, did you know you can find the most thanked posts in this thread simply by clicking here?

    Never really beat that first day! Though in more recent times, Duckworth_Luas' maps post is way ahead of anything else.


  • #9477
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    I was obsessed with Hieronymous Bosches twisted art as a very young kid because we had a book of his illustrations in the house, I couldnt even read but the images in it fascinated me

    It turned out his most famous and weirdest piece had an easter egg that remained hidden in plain sight for 500 years until a music student noticed it last yar, transcribed and recorded it: its a passage of eerie music that was written across a tortured humans arse. :eek:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnrICy3Bc2U



    http://www.dailyartmagazine.com/bosch-butt-music-garden-earthly-delights/


  • #9478
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    That struck a bum note.


  • #9479
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    It's like Where's Wally in that video. Spot the person with a flower stuck in their butthole! :D


  • #9480
    mzungu
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,306 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    In February 1979, the town of Ain Sefra, Algeria, known as the 'Gateway to the Sahara' saw snow for the first time. Then last year it snowed for the second time and now this year the third. In mountainous regions of the Sahara this is common, however Ain Sefra is a lowland region. Whats more, the snow didn't melt straight away either, it some cases taking most of the day to melt. Winter temperatures in Ain Sefra would average out at early to mid twenties, so basically a semi decent Irish summer except definitely no rain.

    A few pictures here of the most recent snowfall. The snow on the desert sand dunes is just lovely to look at.

    180109135024-02-sahara-snow-0107-exlarge-169.jpg

    180109134914-01-sahara-snow-0107-exlarge-169.jpg

    180109135307-05-sahara-snow-0107-exlarge-169.jpg

    180109135125-03-sahara-snow-0107-exlarge-169.jpg

    180109135125-03-sahara-snow-0107-exlarge-169.jpg

    sahara-desert-snow-2018-1186435.jpg

    sahara-desert-snow-1186434.jpg

    sahara-desert-snow-1186442.jpg

    The thaw:
    180109135220-04-sahara-snow-0107-exlarge-169.jpg


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  • #9481
    nim1bdeh38l2cw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭nim1bdeh38l2cw


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    The Tralee accent, the pure townie one, is exactly the same as the Cork city accent. There's a few different ones in the different suburbs which is kinda funny for a relatively small town.

    You just need to listen to Paschal Sheehy to figure that one out


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