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  • #62
    Siamsa Sessions
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,621 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    The N in both is exactly the same. I usually go with Urea in the spring as it is just a cheaper formn of N. If the fields need P&K I would go with the 18-6-12. If your land is very short I use it a year long as it is cheap at present.

    Thanks for that. I might go with a bag-and-a-half of 18-6-12 in the first field and then a bag in the others

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  • #63
    Grazon
    Registered Users Posts: 42 ✭Grazon


    I have a new piece of ground that was rented out the last 20 or more years and I'm sure it hasn't got lime in that time. I'm going to take soil samples but for now what would be the best to spread. If I was to spread 18 6 12 and gran lime can they be spread together.


  • #64
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,126 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Grazon wrote: »
    I have a new piece of ground that was rented out the last 20 or more years and I'm sure it hasn't got lime in that time. I'm going to take soil samples but for now what would be the best to spread. If I was to spread 18 6 12 and gran lime can they be spread together.

    Yes

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  • #65
    farmer2018
    Registered Users Posts: 581 ✭✭✭farmer2018


    How much is gran lime at the moment? How soon can you spread it after spreading urea?


  • #66
    Hard Knocks
    Registered Users Posts: 3,918 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    farmer2018 wrote: »
    How much is gran lime at the moment? How soon can you spread it after spreading urea?

    Think Granlime is €175/ton
    You can spread straight away
    It’s the ground lime that needs 3-6 months


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  • #67
    farmer2018
    Registered Users Posts: 581 ✭✭✭farmer2018


    Hard Knocks wrote: »
    Think Granlime is €175/ton
    You can spread straight away
    It’s the ground lime that needs 3-6 months

    How many bags to the acre?


  • #68
    morphy87
    Registered Users Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭morphy87


    Following this thread,just wondering does anyone use sulfur here and if so how much and did they see much improvement?


  • #69
    mengele
    Registered Users Posts: 868 ✭✭✭mengele


    how long must you wait after spreading slurry before you could spread 18-6-12 for silage? Could I go out with the 18-6-12 2 or 3 days after the slurry?


  • #70
    Dunedin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    mengele wrote: »
    how long must you wait after spreading slurry before you could spread 18-6-12 for silage? Could I go out with the 18-6-12 2 or 3 days after the slurry?

    One week.


  • #71
    Hard Knocks
    Registered Users Posts: 3,918 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    farmer2018 wrote: »
    How many bags to the acre?

    1 bag Gran lime per year
    Spread in spring


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  • #72
    Hard Knocks
    Registered Users Posts: 3,918 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Generally put out the meadow fertilizer first week in April and cut 6 weeks later
    This year we put out 1 bag urea/ac last week and will go with compound next with the aim to cut around 20th May
    Could I leave the compound until after Easter or should I spread it now?


  • #73
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Hard Knocks wrote: »
    1 bag Gran lime per year
    Spread in spring

    Depends on ph.
    I put 3 bags of gran lime out yearly on rented ground. If you want the ground to yield you need to feed it.


  • #74
    Hard Knocks
    Registered Users Posts: 3,918 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    Depends on ph.
    I put 3 bags of gran lime out yearly on rented ground. If you want the ground to yield you need to feed it.

    Didn’t realise
    Was told 1 bag /ac/yr and 2 at reseeding

    What PH is your ground?
    Is there a rule of thumb for PH and bags to use?


  • #75
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Hard Knocks wrote: »
    Didn’t realise
    Was told 1 bag /ac/yr and 2 at reseeding

    What PH is your ground?
    Is there a rule of thumb for PH and bags to use?

    It was 5.5 2 years ago when I tested it. It yielded 550 bales from 20 acres across 3 cuts last year.
    I'd say 1 bag is to maintain ph. You'd need more if its sub optimal


  • #76
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    Isn't gran lime a hugely expensive way of putting lime out? Fine for a small paddock but for a larger area like 20 acres wouldn't you be better getting 20 ton in a couple of years running and get it spread?


  • #77
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,126 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Panch18 wrote: »
    Isn't gran lime a hugely expensive way of putting lime out? Fine for a small paddock but for a larger area like 20 acres wouldn't you be better getting 20 ton in a couple of years running and get it spread?

    Not really. Maybe if PH is very low but for maintenance granlime is quit efficient. As more and more reseach is showing that s huge amount of lime is lost to leeching especially the better finer particles.

    As well as granlime you have growmax which is a hydrated lime based granular lime but needs to be spread before lime. Granular limes are spread in spring so you should have no losses to leeching. Buying in large amounts they are more than likely costing 130-140/ton. Growmax is more expensive at about 170/ton but it is 70%stronger than granlime AFAIK

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  • #78
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,126 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    It was 5.5 2 years ago when I tested it. It yielded 550 bales from 20 acres across 3 cuts last year.
    I'd say 1 bag is to maintain ph. You'd need more if its sub optimal

    Did you ever try the growmax and have you tested the PH lately

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #79
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Panch18 wrote: »
    Isn't gran lime a hugely expensive way of putting lime out? Fine for a small paddock but for a larger area like 20 acres wouldn't you be better getting 20 ton in a couple of years running and get it spread?

    Usually I would but its yearly rent and they'd happily drop me for a tillage guy if he offered more. Which could likely happen in the area I'm in. Guy with 160 ac next door is paying 300 plus entitlements for spring barley. I'm not paying near that


  • #80
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    Did you ever try the growmax and have you tested the PH lately

    No just gouldings from a merchant that's down the road.
    I stuck a ph prob in it this year and it read 6.5 but I dont know how accurate that is


  • #81
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,126 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    Usually I would but its yearly rent and they'd happily drop me for a tillage guy if he offered more. Which could likely happen in the area I'm in. Guy with 160 ac next door is paying 300 plus entitlements for spring barley. I'm not paying near that

    No wonder tillage guys complain they are making no money. On a five year average that not much with break even for spring barley. Lad renting must not know there a calculator on all phones with over 10 years now

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • #82
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    Usually I would but its yearly rent and they'd happily drop me for a tillage guy if he offered more. Which could likely happen in the area I'm in. Guy with 160 ac next door is paying 300 plus entitlements for spring barley. I'm not paying near that

    Yeah the tillage lads in tillage areas like yours and mine will pay any money to get places.

    You wouldn’t want to have a place looking too good when it’s only on 11 month system


  • #83
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    morphy87 wrote: »
    Following this thread,just wondering does anyone use sulfur here and if so how much and did they see much improvement?

    Bar the first round of urea I get all fert with sulphur in it. Helps the plant turn the nitrogen into more available protein. I thing they say 15 to 20 units. Some use ASN but that would only be for silage ground for grazing it's better to use smaller quantities more often, 18.6.12 + S or sulphacan or protected urea +S. They tend to have 4 to 7 of sulphur in them.


  • #84
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    No wonder tillage guys complain they are making no money. On a five year average that not much with break even for spring barley. Lad renting must not know there a calculator on all phones with over 10 years now

    Most likely being funded through a large existing sfp. If they can make a Bob out of it they'll take it and it lowers there machinery costs per acre


  • #85
    Sugarbowl
    Registered Users Posts: 820 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    What are people using for second cut silage? Any recommendations to accompany about 2000gl/acre of slurry?


  • #86
    Dunedin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    Sugarbowl wrote: »
    What are people using for second cut silage? Any recommendations to accompany about 2000gl/acre of slurry?

    If it was good slurry, got p and k for the first cut, you’d probably be ok with sulphacan.

    But it all depends on your current p and k and without soil testing you are only guessing.


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