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27-11-2018, 03:35   #16
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Yes, clearly. That's what it says in the article. You said raped though .
tbh it makes no difference to me. Is that what you took from the article yes? anything else to add?
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tbh it makes no difference to me. Is that what you took from the article yes? anything else to add?
Yeah, sure who needs facts.

It's be like if I punched you in the face then a big thread started, full of people calling it a disgrace that I'm not locked up for life for murder, despite you not being dead.
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tbh it makes no difference to me. Is that what you took from the article yes? anything else to add?
So basically your question is "why was a man not charged with or convicted of rape not given the sentence that a rape conviction would attract?"

I think the answer's in the question, really.
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So basically your question is "why was a man not charged with or convicted of rape not given the sentence that a rape conviction would attract?"

I think the answer's in the question, really.
You think the sentence was justified here?
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I dunno. I haven't read the submissions on sentencing. Have you?
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I dunno. I haven't read the submissions on sentencing. Have you?
Ok ill ask the question in a different way, going by whats mentioned in the article , was this sentence justified?

Fairly strange that im having to ask you this again given a child was molested and you are unsure about whether the joke of a sentence was justified
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We dont know what exactly happened to that child.. If someone molests a child im gonna call them a rapist whether you think its right or wrong. I suppose hes not a peadophile either?

I dont really like your comparison, comparing a minor assault and murder to the molestation of a child and rape of a child.
It says in the article what happened.
You don't get to decide what is and isn't rape. It's defined by law.theres a reason he was charge and convicted of sexual assault and not rape.


Whether you like or dislike analogies is irrelevant to me.
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Ill stick with rapist, thanks.
Sure I could call you a rapist so, seeing as were just throwing it around.
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Sure I could call you a rapist so, seeing as were just throwing it around.
Any comment on the incident or are you too busy jumping to the defence of a paedophile?
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Well, put it this way: it's fairly strange that you seem to believe that the sentence was unjustified because it wasn't the sentence a rape conviction would have attracted. That's completely irrelevant, but it's the only fact you have offered in support of your view.

The maximum sentence for the offence of which he was convicted is five years. But this was a first offence; he wouldn't get the maximum sentence in any case on a first offence. And, on the range of such offences, there are factors that point to this being at the less serious end - e.g. this was a single incident, there doesn't appear to have been any use of force. There are other relevant factors about which we have no information - significantly, while there are newspaper reports of the sentencing hearing, there don't seem to be any of the trial itself, or of the evidence given, so much of the detail of the offence is unknown to us. Finally, there are mitigating factors - the psychiatric reports, etc.

So, is this sentence out of line for the range of sentencing for this offence? It's impossible to say, since most of the information we would need to make a judgement about that is not available to us. All we do know is that the prosecution could have appealed if they thought the sentence was too lenient, but didn't. So nobody who actually heard the evidence seems to think that this sentence is inappropriately light. Do I think the sentence was justified? I don't know.
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Any comment on the incident or are you too busy jumping to the defence of a paedophile?
Correcting your mistakes isn't defending anyone.

If anything, it could be seen as me helping you to avoid a libel case.

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If anything, it could be seen as me helping you tonaboid a libel case.
im safe enough in that regard, thanks though.
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Why are you picking on the Muslim rapists and not the Irish ones? this is so racist
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Ok ill ask the question in a different way, going by whats mentioned in the article , was this sentence justified?

Fairly strange that im having to ask you this again given a child was molested and you are unsure about whether the joke of a sentence was justified
That is the right question to answer. Are sentences for rape overtly lenient? Especially against children?
How is the conviction rate? How does Ireland compare to other countries?
Discussions about the man's race or religion are entirely irrelevant from a legal standpoint, since those are not taken into account.
It's entirely justified to debate the case, but "shure de Muslims!"
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That is the right question to answer. Are sentences for rape overtly lenient? Especially against children?
How is the conviction rate? How does Ireland compare to other countries?
Discussions about the man's race or religion are entirely irrelevant from a legal standpoint, since those are not taken into account.
It's entirely justified to debate the case, but "shure de Muslims!"
It is entirely justifiable to debate this case. What's not so easily justified is framing the debate on the basis that the defendant is a rapist, and the sentence should be one appropriate to rape. The defendant wasn't accused of, charged with, or convicted of rape; he couldn't possibly be sentenced for rape.

And, when the response from the OP when this is pointed out is, basically, "I don't care", this ceases to be a debate about whether the sentence in this case is appropriate or not. What the OP actually wants to debate is, seemingly, the appropriate sentence for rape, not the appropriate sentence in this case.
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