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06-12-2018, 16:54   #466
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No. If someone hurts a child I blame the person who hurts the child.
So take a scenario where a kid has a bomb strapped to him or her and marches towards an army checkpoint and gets shot. That's the soldier's fault?
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Agreed Wibbs, its almost like these parents brought their kids to what they knew was going to become a war zone then use them as a shield, because no one would ever hurt a child
yep parents to blame

On a separate note, check out google maps, the Texas border is closer to Mexico City than Tijuana, why did they travel three times farther than they had too?
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Central America is the world's toilet and you couldn't blame anyone for wanting to leave.

But you can't go about it in this manner, it's ludicrous behaviour. The law applies to everyone.

Those shoving children in front of border guards should be utterly ashamed of themselves. Vile.
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So take a scenario where a kid has a bomb strapped to him or her and marches towards an army checkpoint and gets shot. That's the soldier's fault?

No Wibbs, I think I'd give him a pass there because he's unfortunately been placed in the position that he has to choose between the childs life and the victims of the bomb. You might call that the exception to the rule. Completely irrelevant to what we are discussing of course but seeing as how it's otherwise indefensible I understand why you needed to go to such an extreme.
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Central America is the world's toilet and you couldn't blame anyone for wanting to leave.

But you can't go about it in this manner, it's ludicrous behaviour. The law applies to everyone.

Those shoving children in front of border guards should be utterly ashamed of themselves. Vile.
But pepper spraying the children doesn't seem to count or what? Or taking children away from their parents and putting them in camps?
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As Pete notes propaganda works. Look, Trump is a puffed up boor, but as far as policies towards the rest of the world go, the only difference between him and Obama and previous professional politicians is they had far better PR and more public restraint. They kissed the right babies and smiled the good smile. Obama rode into the White House on the colour of his skin and got a fair bit of leeway for it too*. He also came across as very personable. I mean this was a lacklustre senator who scoops the big prize and FFS gets a Nobel Peace Prize, before he had done a damn thing. He was also cool and the gang with increasing the use of drones with their "collateral damage" included.

In the end there's little practical downrange diff between the current guy and the last and the next will be more of the same.




*this is not to deny the very real grassroots genuine need and support and nay relief for that, especially considering the parlous state of race politics in that country. He got elected on hope.
I would actually agree with much of that. But I still think Trump is utterly toxic. His entire movement is fascistic and running on hatred.
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It's funny to hear people describe Mexico as a safe country.
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That is crazy! Why their own government won't do something about that? That's unbelievable! And what is worst, if US, Mexico, etc will do anything about that, like let these people into their own territory, there will be plenty and plenty more of these "immigrants". Look what Angie Merkel did. She brought as many immigrants as she could, mostly to France. Then she gave up, she quit, she is gone, that is not her problem anymore. Then these immigrants made president of France, Macron quit. Now the whole country is destabilized. France's own head of country cowardly gave up the seat and is gone just like Angie. isn't that wired?
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This is just kerrraaazy!

I've heard mention of it over the last few days but only read into it tonight. According to different sources there are between 4 and 15 thousand people marching toward the border of the united states, with more joining in each day.

This particular caravan is from Honduras in the main, but already there are apparently several other copy-cat caravans starting from Salvador and other places too.

Looking at videos of the marching lines it just seems apocalyptic. Whats going to happen here, and more importantly, whats the knock-on effect going forward? Is there going to be violence at the border and people killed en masse (already many clashes along other countries borders)?

Why are they walking through several safe countries if they just want to escape so-called immediate oppression?

If the united states lets them in, surely that's the signal for the whole of central and south America to just walk in and set up shop. What signal will that send about Europe, if any?

This is going to end really badly. Its so out of control, I don't even have a suggestion as to how to fix it.

Does anyone else see this ending in a good way?

Not having your intelligence services constantly interfering in soveirgn countries affairs would be a start
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That is crazy! Why their own government won't do something about that? That's unbelievable! And what is worst, if US, Mexico, etc will do anything about that, like let these people into their own territory, there will be plenty and plenty more of these "immigrants". Look what Angie Merkel did. She brought as many immigrants as she could, mostly to France. Then she gave up, she quit, she is gone, that is not her problem anymore. Then these immigrants made president of France, Macron quit. Now the whole country is destabilized. France's own head of country cowardly gave up the seat and is gone just like Angie. isn't that wired?
The only thing that's wired is you, with the drivel you're spouting.
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No. If someone hurts a child I blame the person who hurts the child.
Pedophrasty.

https://medium.com/incerto/pedophras...s-c84bd70a29e8
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Billy, i don't understand your question, US citizens had their kids taken? if so, when and where
What is your opinion on the Trump administration kidnapping children not just from migrants, but from US citizens? And what is your opinion on these children of US citizens (along with over one and a half thousand children of migrants) just mysteriously "going missing"?

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Nah, basic humanity.
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What is your opinion on the Trump administration kidnapping children not just from migrants, but from US citizens? And what is your opinion on these children of US citizens (along with over one and a half thousand children of migrants) just mysteriously "going missing"?
Looks like Fake News and the CNN = Communist News Network
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Looks like Fake News and the CNN = Communist News Network
So you're fine with children of US citizens being kidnapped, drugged, tortured and "going missing" but don't have the courage to just come out and say it. To be honest, this is exactly what I expected you to reply with as it's a standard practice for cultists to jam their fingers in their ears and pretend not to hear what is inconvenient - the admission admitting they "might have" taken children of US citizens are direct quotes from them, and the link to that is not even from CNN.

Here are some more links for you to pretend not to have seen:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...parated-2018-7
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...oj-us-citizens
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